Serie A, SIENA-LAZIO, Sunday, 01-11-09

Cash wrote:

...without being sarcastic, I am waiting for Caxi's reasons to another poor result...what was wrong this time Caxi?

There are lots of problems for example how can you leave MakiPizza on the bench when you need a goal.. The guy would be a great next to Zarate, cant see what Cruz and Rocchi are doing out there. Maki cant do worse at least he can run.

Sile wrote:

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If we are such draw masters then we should draw against Villareal and secure qualification in the second round. If we lose to Villareal then the season is lost in November. So so sad.

... Villareal are doing exactly what we should be doing, trashing bottom dwellers Tenerife 4-0 at half time, their form is on the up while we have sunk to a 2 season low.

A draw with Villareal would ensure that a win vs Levski at home (for fuck sake after demolishing them away at least that shouldn't be in question) would send us in the 2 round, leaving us to contend in Serie A through December and winter months.

So, Thursday is the night that will make us or break us.

Thursday is absolutley huge.

A draw would be a great result, i think a win is out of the question (Given conspiring confidence levels between the two teams).

However, head-to-head is very important, so if we loose 2-1 (We have way better goal diffrence than them) 3-2, 4-3 etc, things will stil very much be in our own hands.

Cash wrote:

...without being sarcastic, I am waiting for Caxi's reasons to another poor result...what was wrong this time Caxi?

Like the others, I didn't see the game so I'm not exactly qualified to comment.

However, under normal circumstances, people wouldn't complain about this result. Everybody is impatient and waiting on that elusive win, including me, but this is not a "poor result," just poor given the circumstances.

Let's see how we do with Villarreal.

SIMPLY AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WE DREW!!!!!!!What a goal from mauri......Guysssss we got that 1 point we were missing sooo much....I know also why we archieved that precious 1 POINT. Because baronios is back...without him we were beaten with a crappy game but NOW we got one point with a crappy game.
I wanna see the faces of the trio Balla-Lotto-Tarre if the winter break comes and we are last in the table
Simply makes me cry.....the sad thing is that lotito is never gonna sack balla...

Merry Christmas

Forza Lazio!!!

how about failing to get 3 points in 8 matches. Is that poor for you? From you reasoning at times i feel like you are ALWAYS happy with a draw not mattering who we face. And caxihno, i mean no disrespect at all buddy, but your level of expectancy is real low, and well right now realistic. :)

WE SUCK, plain and simple, no need to put big paragraphs into this, right now I DONT GIVE A DAMN HOW THE TEAM PLAYS, I AM JUST DESPERATE FOR 3 POINTS!

now..how much more are we willing to wait before the coach change that will be done sooner or later ?

if we all give 1 eur per month for salary for a new difender he will be 10 times better than Siviglia...i just cant believe who pick the team...if there is place for Siviglia for our first 11 than Lazio is deserving to play in Serie C...so sad...also Muslera have some blame for the goal....

Winning is a habit, so too is not winning.
Like has been said, with our record at Siena, a point wouldn't normally be considered bad. However, when we haven't won in 8 games and aren't winning at home, it becomes another oportunity missed to kick start this season and gets us nowhere.
Just getting a bit much now, plus we enter what on paper is our hard run of fixtures. Gulp...

As an aside, great cheap laughs in the Makroom today... certainly kept it amusing, if a tad juvenile (OK very juvenile, but it was funny... Jenson Mutton - conceicao14 came up with a blinder there, and Boksic was on good (or bad!) form) whilst we didn't watch the match...

Yes Ed....the chat was tuned on a very positive mood. Even if we didnt see the game and we all knew we were playing crappy. Reminds me the ending of last year...i had no hope in rossi so there was nothing to discuss anymore...the problem was rossi....not it seems a very big part of our bad performances are all because of balla.
And yes siviglia......when this guy is extending his contract then the salary cap should be 100%...this man is worth nothing.

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valdanito_10 wrote:

And caxihno, i mean no disrespect at all buddy, but your level of expectancy is real low, and well right now realistic. :)

Well, I remember the amount of criticism I got for being optimistic last season and then we won the Coppa. This season, I said it earlier in several threads that it was the end of an era, that Ballardini is a slow-starter and that if we didn't clear the poor atmosphere, we would be punching above the relegation zone. Here we are.

One word describes our domestic performances these days the best: Unwatchable! No fire, no emotions, no skills. Seems like we forgot how to play football. Not that we dominated the last seasons, but at times we were playing football. I'm usually supporting coaches and give them time, but I think Ballardini is just not the right coach for us. For me he seems to cool, to calm, to straight for this team. Then again he should learn to bench certain players...

Sweet assist by Foggia for Mauri's goal. That was the highlight of the match. Everything else was pretty bad unfortunately. Maccarone's goal shouldn't have happened. He turned Siviglia unbelievably easily then the other defenders watched as he strolled by and put it past Muslera. Nando could have done a bit better on that but I don't blame him. Good that the red card was overturned.

As others have already mentioned, a draw away to Siena is a respectable result and I would take it pretty much any day of the year but under Lazio's current circumstances its not good enough. We really needed a win - and with important games against Villarreal and Milan coming up the team could have really used the positive morale.

The Villarreal match will be huge. Lazio really need to get something out of it. In fact its essential Ballardini and company do so - otherwise until the end of the year at least, we are screwed.

I can't imagine in what way the game would go if Nando got that red. The commentator said that we are unwatchable, fuck sake I really want to see this one.
Here are the highlights, btw Lazio is boycotting the media and will not give any statement.
p.s. SIVIGLA SUCK BIG TIME.

Caxi wrote:

valdanito_10 wrote:

And caxihno, i mean no disrespect at all buddy, but your level of expectancy is real low, and well right now realistic. :)

Well, I remember the amount of criticism I got for being optimistic last season and then we won the Coppa. This season, I said it earlier in several threads that it was the end of an era, that Ballardini is a slow-starter and that if we didn't clear the poor atmosphere, we would be punching above the relegation zone. Here we are.

Sorry mate but we got the coppa by winning against 2nd or 3rd squad (in value terms) of Milan or Juve. That`s the cruel reality. Another cruel reality is that we have no players. We have no money..we have bad management...and this is what is happening.

Horrific.

Siviglia is finished guys. Our two center backs should be radu and diakite. Our cb's are not that bad but we lack in depth. If we can get one good cb and pair him with either radu and diakite we should be fine. The biggest problem is our midfiled. No creativity!!!! We need to improve in that department. Its all up to Lotito now.

Kurama_SSLazio wrote:

Caxi wrote:

valdanito_10 wrote:

And caxihno, i mean no disrespect at all buddy, but your level of expectancy is real low, and well right now realistic. :)

Well, I remember the amount of criticism I got for being optimistic last season and then we won the Coppa. This season, I said it earlier in several threads that it was the end of an era, that Ballardini is a slow-starter and that if we didn't clear the poor atmosphere, we would be punching above the relegation zone. Here we are.

Sorry mate but we got the coppa by winning against 2nd or 3rd squad (in value terms) of Milan or Juve. That`s the cruel reality. Another cruel reality is that we have no players. We have no money..we have bad management...and this is what is happening.

Wait, so in the space of a couple of months, Muslera, Kolarov, Lichtsteiner, Brocchi, Matuzalem, Foggia, Zarate, Rocchi, Cruz etc. have turned into bad players? And a manager who guided a relatively poor Palermo side to a top half finish is now a bad coach? And a team who spent 25+ million in the last transfer window have no money?

Some arguments stand up for me, they really do, but if I'm being optimistic these days, it's because I have faith in our players and our coach and I know they are not this bad. Now I don't know what the problems are but I could make some fairly good guesses and I don't think the quality of our squad is one of them...

I'm not gonna say it's Ballardini's fault. Because it's very obvious that our defence is bad and that we suffer from not having any extra quality to add. If you take away two key players from a mid table squad and sells it's best defender - only to replace just one of them (Cruz) - then this is pretty much what you will get. I'm not saying this is where Lazio should be, but to fight in two competitions under these circumstances was of course doomed to fail.

The only thing the players and Ballardini do wrong is that they are not performing at the maximum of their potential. Delio Rossi was a master getting his players to do that and saved many seasons because of that. Luckily we have a few players that will probably take us away from this position and higher in the standings, but in the long run this is turning into a complete mess. The whole squad-situation is. And it's very frustrating to watch it happen.

It's not like we're gonna be able to buy better or more players in the next transfer windwos. Next season Zauri, Mendicino, Tuia, Faroani, Mancini and Carrizo are coming back. And then we already have players like Manfredini, Firmani, Bonetto, Makinwa, Inzaghi, Pandev and Ledesma that are not allowed to practice properly. Not to forget those like Eliseu, Del Nero and Stendardo that are not even taking a place on the bench. We might even reach 50 players, with many of them under long contracts with Lazio.

Let me just ask, which manager is able to perform under those circumstances?

Ok, now I'm going on a quoting run:

Roman Eagle wrote:

now..how much more are we willing to wait before the coach change that will be done sooner or later ?

A bad result against Villarreal and I would share your opinion that a change has to be made. Not that I think Ballardini is the problem for Lazio, but maybe it will be a boost for the players. Will he however get sacked? Not a chance!

Caxi wrote:

Well, I remember the amount of criticism I got for being optimistic last season and then we won the Coppa. This season, I said it earlier in several threads that it was the end of an era, that Ballardini is a slow-starter and that if we didn't clear the poor atmosphere, we would be punching above the relegation zone. Here we are.

There will be no end of any era's as long as the management works like this. If some things doesn't change there will be pretty much the same problems under every manager, even if they handle it in different ways. Agree however, as his record has proved, that Ballardini is a slow starter. But I don't think it's possible for any manager to clear the bad atmosphere. When we have a squad with about 40 players, in which half of them are unhappy with their situation, it's pretty much a hopeless job.

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Siviglia is finished guys. Our two center backs should be radu and diakite. Our cb's are not that bad but we lack in depth. If we can get one good cb and pair him with either radu and diakite we should be fine. The biggest problem is our midfiled. No creativity!!!! We need to improve in that department. Its all up to Lotito now.

Our central defenders are not very good. I always said Siviglia is the only solid one, but after today's game maybe it's better to lay low with that theory... Truth is that ALL our central defenders already made many mistakes that costed us points. I always thought Siviglia/Rozehnal was the best pair last season, but their problem was that they were to similar. They were the only one able to act as some kind of leader. That's why one of them were playing almost all the time. Now we only have Siviglia left, and that's why he keep playing despite his pretty clear weaknesses.

For me it's the exact opposite: I believe that Radu and Diakite would be a worse solution. Both of them are very insecure in positioning and need someone beside them to guide. I don't think it would have worked out.

El why should't we put fault on Balla? When Dia is the best CB we have now and he is not playing? Our make many mistakes as you said we all agree on that but why put Sivigla on the field ? we have 2 young guns..let them play and learn...maybe they will make mistakes maybe they don't. Siena is not famous with its attacking power so I think we could do with Dia Radu on this one but this is just me.

When I watched the highlights - except the chances we gave them they didn't have any others ...that is a good thing...it's Siena but it's a good thing

I'd say we play Foggia Zarate Cruz from now on - I don't know why but the idea of putting to fast players alongside a tall one makes me think we can score some goals if they have the chance to play with eachother

Bobbi wrote:

As others have already mentioned, a draw away to Siena is a respectable result...

Excuse me, but isn't Siena dead last and lacking any kind of confidence right now? If we can't win at the worst team of the league, where the hell should be win???

When i saw the fixture (Bari, Cagliari and Siena) I thought to myself we will get at least 6 points. So the draw with Siena in my books was a poor result.

Roman_Eagle wrote:

El why should't we put fault on Balla? When Dia is the best CB we have now and he is not playing? Our make many mistakes as you said we all agree on that but why put Sivigla on the field ? we have 2 young guns..let them play and learn...maybe they will make mistakes maybe they don't. Siena is not famous with its attacking power so I think we could do with Dia Radu on this one but this is just me.

When I watched the highlights - except the chances we gave them they didn't have any others ...that is a good thing...it's Siena but it's a good thing

I'd say we play Foggia Zarate Cruz from now on - I don't know why but the idea of putting to fast players alongside a tall one makes me think we can score some goals if they have the chance to play with eachother

I can understand that you blame Ballardini if you think Diakité is the best CB we have. Then I fully understand your frustration. But to me Diakité is not the best CB we have. I think Siviglia, Cribari and Radu are better, so I guess we have to settle with having different opinions here.