Lazio Fiorentina : Strike

Roman_Eagle wrote:

El Weninho wrote:

roman_eagle: Why do you drag in Liverpool and Manchester United? Or why even the Premier League? It's a totally different league regarding economics, politics, culture and business. Even if they have financial problem: they play in Champions League, they fight for titles and they have hug fan bases all over the world. It's a totally different situation.

big picture. they have much more problems than us because of their presidents. do you see the fans not attending the games? even if they are not CL ones? no you don't.

Even if they do, which I don't think, their situations are different. Do I see the fans not attending the games? No, because:

1. They have no strong leading group (a curva) that could make such a decision.
2. Most of the "original" supporters can't even afford to go to the stadium.
3. The culture in british football is totally different. Also regarding how to proceed with a protest.
4. They would just sell the tickets to tourist and regular football fans instead.
5. It would not send the same signal there as the politics is not mixed with football in the same way as in Italy.
6. Liverpool and Manchester are not SS Lazio.

Caxi wrote:

I was mainly referring to stadium protests Johan; of course, I remember having these discussions way back in the second season, it would be foolish of me to argue otherwise but with regards to actual stadium protests, it appears to me that they have breaking out all season long.

Of course I respect the incentive behind the Curva Nord's actions but I can't say I support it. I can't see the benefits of it.

Obviously I do not understand the Italian culture as well as some, but having seen fan power from here, I have a viewpoint which I cannot change. I remember a situation here with my Irish team, not too dissimilar to, let's say Lazio's home loss to Catania. We didn't change coach, my original reaction was to abandon the side, protest against them and not show any support for the rest of the season but we rallied behind them and they put in magnificent performances from then on.

I can't understand why we can't just support the guys and worry about Lotito at a later date when we are not in trouble.

Ok, thanks for explaining. I can't agree with the stadium protests. This is not even the first time CN has left the stands alone. It happened already back in 2006. Along with chants all the games, banners, sit ins... almost everything. The difference now is that more Laziali have joined the protests, before they were pretty much left alone. So naturally it's a better opportunity to make a real stand with a protest at this point.

The Irish example could be a good argument for you. But I still see a major difference: the Irish FA is not broken and the Irish NT supporters still have dreams about the future. Lazio's management is ruining the club and removes the dreams and the Lazialitá from the supporters.

With that said, I respect those who's against this protest. I see that two Swedish friends here have planned this trip for a long time, and I would certainly not blame you for attending the game.

However, I think this is it. A perfect opportunity to finally make a stand.

Caxi wrote:

if I was unfortunate enough to run into you in Rome I would at least offer the hand

Honestly Caxi, even though I often disagree with Conn, well, most of the times , I wouldn't say anything like that. As far as I understood you never met Conn (also known as the dictator by others ) before, so I find it funny that you call it unfortunate if you ran into him. Talking about prejustice, often a result of ignorance. Back to the topic, I respect your (@Conn) decision, I just can't understand it and I think it's not correct to stay away from the stadium. When I was still living in Rome I didn't miss a single game and that's how it should be.

Il Capitano wrote:

Caxi wrote:

if I was unfortunate enough to run into you in Rome I would at least offer the hand

Honestly Caxi, even though I often disagree with Conn, well, most of the times , I wouldn't say anything like that. As far as I understood you never met Conn (also known as the dictator by others ) before, so I find it funny that you call it unfortunate if you ran into him. Talking about prejustice, often a result of ignorance. Back to the topic, I respect your (@Conn) decision, I just can't understand it and I think it's not correct to stay away from the stadium. When I was still living in Rome I didn't miss a single game and that's how it should be.

I know what you're saying Il Capitano but I think I qualified the former with the latter. I wouldn't want to run into Conn based on his forum attitude but if I did, I wouldn't be disrespectful.

Funnily enough, I also respect the CN decision; something is always better than nothing, even if I can't agree with the specific action...

Conn wrote:

ilsemprelaziale wrote:

And I find it disgraceful that you, an honouary member and a respected laziale in this forum, come in here and expect to be able to take your opinion and shove it down other peoples throats, like you're some dictator.

You need to realise that when you take a discussion into a forum then you risk being confronted by people who do not agree with you. Yes people should not be rude towards you because they disagree, just like you shouldn't be rude towards them if they disagree with you.

I respect you as a Laziale and it's good to see when someone truly believes in a cause and is willing to fight for it, but you are taking it too far now.

Would you be so kind to quote the bits where I "shoved my opinion down other peoples' throats like I am some dictator?"
And now that you are at it, please point also where I "was rude to people who disagree with me".

My only aim in this topic was to explain. I don't need to convince anyone to stay away from the stadium. Especially people who won't be in Rome anyway.

You read my reply yesterday and still didn't quote the post where I "acted like a dictator" and "I was rude" and "I took it too far". Does it requires so much time?

Take your time, but I will be waiting.

Conn, you will be waiting for a looong time. Such posts dosen't exist.

He doesn't know what he is talking about.

This is not a time for Fucking protest!! La Lazio need us..

I dont like Lotito and like many lazio fans i 2 wish that he left Lazio, but lets face it he will never leave. Even if we (the fans) protested 100 times he still would be here.

Conn said the players and the coach understand the protest:


http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/02/26/1808778/edy-reja-disappointed-at-fans-boycott-of-lazio-fiorentina

hmmm doesn't seem like it.....

@Weninho: Pool and United have around 2 bil pounds of debt and recently it was made aware that Glazers have mortgaged the united training grounds to cover their previous debts.

And saying that United and Pool don't have a leading group of fans ( The Kop and Anfield) is ridiculous . So is the opinion they sell the tickets to tourist... LOL....

What do you expect him to say? "I agree with Curva Nord regarding Lotito, he is ruining the club"?

Roman_Eagle wrote:

Conn said the players and the coach understand the protest:


http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/02/26/1808778/edy-reja-disappointed-at-fans-boycott-of-lazio-fiorentina

hmmm doesn't seem like it.....

@Weninho: Pool and United have around 2 bil pounds of debt and recently it was made aware that Glazers have mortgaged the united training grounds to cover their previous debts.

And saying that United and Pool don't have a leading group of fans ( The Kop and Anfield) is ridiculous . So is the opinion they sell the tickets to tourist... LOL....

Hitherto the point that was being made was that the footballing culture in England and Italy is vastly different, therefore completely pointless comparing the two. There is no need now to go in into needless debate about pedantics that do not have any semblence to to topic at hand.

Henrik wrote:

What do you expect him to say? "I agree with Curva Nord regarding Lotito, he is ruining the club"?

firstly: Reja doesn't know how Lotito is running the club so therefor he can not have an opinion
second: if you point to me one coach who is happy playing at home with no fans supporting the team I will do anything and I mean anything for you

@Taib: what culture is different? don't the fans all over the world go to support the team? or in EPL they give them money for that? Not to mention ticket prizes in both countries are miles away from each other

Roman_Eagle wrote:

Conn said the players and the coach understand the protest:


http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/02/26/1808778/edy-reja-disappointed-at-fans-boycott-of-lazio-fiorentina

hmmm doesn't seem like it.....

@Weninho: Pool and United have around 2 bil pounds of debt and recently it was made aware that Glazers have mortgaged the united training grounds to cover their previous debts.

And saying that United and Pool don't have a leading group of fans ( The Kop and Anfield) is ridiculous . So is the opinion they sell the tickets to tourist... LOL....

I would take Reja's comments at face value. The coach and players may understand the action, f**k, I understand it but what team wants to play in an empty stadium? Name a band that would enjoy playing a gig in an empty room?

In other words, the boys will take to the field tomorrow and conduct themselves professionally...but they will only be as motivated as they are in training. The buzz they can get from the Curva Nord, that thrill that can spur them on and intimidate the Viola will not be present.

Roman_Eagle wrote:

Henrik wrote:

What do you expect him to say? "I agree with Curva Nord regarding Lotito, he is ruining the club"?

firstly: Reja doesn't know how Lotito is running the club so therefor he can not have an opinion
second: if you point to me one coach who is happy playing at home with no fans supporting the team I will do anything and I mean anything for you

@Taib: what culture is different? don't the fans all over the world go to support the team? or in EPL they give them money for that? Not to mention ticket prizes in both countries are miles away from each other

The culture to support the football club. The culture of how to follow a footballing team. Italian football match day is diiferent from English footballing matchday. I am leaving like that.

Roman_Eagle wrote:

Conn said the players and the coach understand the protest:


http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/02/26/1808778/edy-reja-disappointed-at-fans-boycott-of-lazio-fiorentina

hmmm doesn't seem like it.....

"Understanding" the protest does not mean "approving" it. Everyone, even the walls, know that the protest is against lotito. Against lotito, not the players.

Of course Reja is disappointed. He must be honestly disappointed because of the missed support, but in any case would you expect him or Stendardo, who spoke the day before yesterday, or any other Lazio player to publicly say they agree with the protest? Are we kidding?

And Reja is not clueless at all about how things have been going on at Lazio and how lotito has dealt with players and managers.

Roman_Eagle wrote:

Henrik wrote:

What do you expect him to say? "I agree with Curva Nord regarding Lotito, he is ruining the club"?

firstly: Reja doesn't know how Lotito is running the club so therefor he can not have an opinion
second: if you point to me one coach who is happy playing at home with no fans supporting the team I will do anything and I mean anything for you

I don't think Reja understand the whole situation and how bad it is. Of course no one wants to play in front of empty stands, but if we had a coach who comes from Rome and are Laziale, who breathes Lazialità, maybe he would think differently. Although no one would say something criticizing towards Lotito. Perhaps Giovanni Lopez is that guy (former Lazio player from Rome, pronounced Laziale, today assistant coach to Reja).

Secret_Samadhi wrote:

Conn, you will be waiting for a looong time. Such posts dosen't exist.

He doesn't know what he is talking about.

Thanks a lot Secret_Samadhi, but I'm sure he will find the bit where I acted like a dictator... otherwise it means he uses to offend people just for the sake of it.

I don't know why I'm perceived so badly from many of you... So far the top three labels I got are:

- you are an arrogant
- you think you are a Messiah
- you act like a dictator (this is the best one )

Honestly I apply a big "STICAZZI" to it although I find it often sad, especially given the amount of time and effort I dedicated to this board over the years.

What is it you guys don't understand!!!
We need too protest agianst Lotito, this is our last way in peace mode.
I don't think someone is going acutully too kill Lotito, even if some people want that, but we need too do something beacuse he is killing us.
He is destroying our club, he is breaking the eagels wings a bit for a bit. And still people don't geet it?
I support the protest, thoose guys who does it has big lazialialita heart, beacuse they know this is our last way..
They want the best for the club, and not seeing Lotito bitchslapping us our face and then he say? I saved you guys, don't say a word!
WAKE UP FROM THE NASTRY DREAM SOME OF YOU HAVE!!!

Conn wrote:

Secret_Samadhi wrote:

Conn, you will be waiting for a looong time. Such posts dosen't exist.

He doesn't know what he is talking about.

Thanks a lot Secret_Samadhi, but I'm sure he will find the bit where I acted like a dictator... otherwise it means he uses to offend people just for the sake of it.

I don't know why I'm perceived so badly from many of you... So far the top three labels I got are:

- you are an arrogant
- you think you are a Messiah
- you act like a dictator (this is the best one )

Honestly I apply a big "STICAZZI" to it although I find it often sad, especially given the amount of time and effort I dedicated to this board over the years.

Why to bother what they think of you? Many of us (including me) like your posts and find them very important for this forum!

Sorry for a late reply Conn.

But really, go through your replies in this thread and then tell me that you don't come across as being a person who has a hard time accepting that other people have a different opinion than you? Your posts are very agressive at least. Saying you sound like a dictator was a bit harsh, so my apologies for that. But you mention yourself in your last post that people are quick to point fingers at you, maybe there is a reason behind that?

Either way though, sorry for calling you a dictator and also keep up the good work that you are doing, i just think you should calm down a bit sometimes before presenting your opinions.

ilsemprelaziale wrote:

But really, go through your replies in this thread and then tell me that you don't come across as being a person who has a hard time accepting that other people have a different opinion than you?

I don't know if I do come across like that, especially in this thread where I behaved myself as much as I could . Surely I am not. But thanks for the feedback.

I live this initiative very closely and I followed it since the beginning. Every day there are some news from both parties, it's like a chess game.

The only thing I've been repeating, because I'm sure of it, is that the game is NOW at a point where a pawn can give the checkmate.
But only if this pawn is supported from the other, and this one from the next, and so on until the last pawn still standing.

One pawn does not give his support, and it all ends. It's much more than agreeing or disagreeing on something... it's about winning or losing a game we should be playing together.

For the swedish people about the protest:

http://www.svenskafans.com/italien/artikel.asp?id=343383

Written by me! :)

Taib wrote:

Roman_Eagle wrote:

Henrik wrote:

What do you expect him to say? "I agree with Curva Nord regarding Lotito, he is ruining the club"?

firstly: Reja doesn't know how Lotito is running the club so therefor he can not have an opinion
second: if you point to me one coach who is happy playing at home with no fans supporting the team I will do anything and I mean anything for you

@Taib: what culture is different? don't the fans all over the world go to support the team? or in EPL they give them money for that? Not to mention ticket prizes in both countries are miles away from each other

The culture to support the football club. The culture of how to follow a footballing team. Italian football match day is diiferent from English footballing matchday. I am leaving like that.

And like Taib, I'm leaving it like that as well. No need to discuss it further in this thread.

Hey guys! I'm in the eternal city right now and I've made up my mind. I will go and watch them play against viola in lo stadio. But I have not gotten any tickets yet and I wonder where I could buy them? I remember the lazioshop at via guillermo something near olimpico. Can I buy them there tomorrow morning? Or is there a place near my hostel witch is on via romagna 14 where I can buy the tickets?

Grazie in advance

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peera wrote:

Hey guys! I'm in the eternal city right now and I've made up my mind. I will go and watch them play against viola in lo stadio. But I have not gotten any tickets yet and I wonder where I could buy them? I remember the lazioshop at via guillermo something near olimpico. Can I buy them there tomorrow morning? Or is there a place near my hostel witch is on via romagna 14 where I can buy the tickets?

Grazie in advance

Yes, even in the afternoon. Laziostyle at via Calderini, near piazza Mancini. Word of wisdom: don't get a Curva Nord ticket (But distinti Ovest/Nord will be ok)