Serie A: LAZIO-PARMA, Wednesday, 23-09-09

I got held up in a uni meeting and missed the game, much to my disappointment.

First things first, Parma are underrated and as I said in pre-season, I expect them to go Top 10 and push the Top 6. I actually think they are on a similar level to us so while a loss is not exactly satisfying, I can't say I didn't expect it.

The players are tired, physically and mentally and that's the main problem. Let's stop exacerbating this situation; the only 2 players we miss from last season are Pandev and Ledesma. I believe Goran is no better than what we have in the frontline and for that reason, I don't feel his absence (although right now he would be useful). The player we miss is Ledesma. It's not that Baronio is a poor player and I can't understand why some are pointing the finger solely at him but what Ledesma offers is mileage. Not having that mileage hinders us and forces us to play deep which invites additional pressure on an injury strained defence. For as long as Cristian is out of the team and remains unreplaced, midfield will be our problem area.

For me, blaming the dissidenti situation is a poor excuse. There only is one player who would give us that little bit more based on what I saw last season and considering he is suffering with injury, that's irrelevant anyway. The problem is not our depth but the quality within that.

Caxi wrote:

First things first, Parma are underrated and as I said in pre-season, I expect them to go Top 10 and push the Top 6. I actually think they are on a similar level to us so while a loss is not exactly satisfying, I can't say I didn't expect it.

"Not exactly satisfying"??? LOL

Ok, let's put down our pants whenever a medium level team comes at Olimpico. Let's keep blaming the referees, the injuries and the bad luck. It's perfectly fine to play a match on every three days with Baronio, Meghni, Cribari, Siviglia. We don't need Pandev, Ledesma, Stendardo and Firmani. Everything goes well and we are not on the road to disaster, even if it can be "not exactly satisfying".

It is really sad what is happening to the team.

Yesterday we were even more awful than the Catania game..... and that was really awful.

It is my first season with full access to all Lazio games on TV and I am not enjoying it !!!

Yes we used to lose a lot of games in the past, but we did so with style ! It was always Lazio, the most entertaining football....

I don't know what is happening to the team, I wish I did. We can all speculate, the internal problems, the tiredness of the players, the unsatisfaction of the players thus their lack of performance....

All I know is that no one is doing a good job. Lotito needs to pull out some money for more purchases, Ballardini needs to have more influence to pull a reaction from the team, and the players should give their all. We never had Lazio players who did not care...

But at the same time, I admit what the team (players) are facing is not easy, and Ballardini's job is not easy either.

I disagree though with his post match comments, saying we were fine until Kolarov was sent off. Hell not, we were not fine, even then, we looked like headless chicken....

What is worrying is that ever since Rossi and now Ballardini, the team does not seem to have a strategy, the players are not passing the ball fast, it seems like they get the ball, then start looking for a player who is unmarked, then pass the ball. We used to play like this at high school level !

The players do not seem to have memorized the positions of their team-mates, our game is so slow !!!

One of our main problems is that our defense plainly sucks.... Diakite is the only player who can deliver defensively. Let us not kid ourselves, we cannot compete with a defense made of Cribari and Siviglia, and Lichesti and Kolarov are not that good of defenders, they give us lots of strength on the sides, but defesively we suffer because of them too.

The problem is obvious, we count on our full backs to attack. We lose the ball, our central defense is slow and cannot mark their own shadow, so we concede. It has happened with Catania, with Salzburg, and now with Parma.

Diakite is good but still a bit unexperienced, he needs a solid defender next to him. Siviglia plays with all his heart, but let us face it, it aint enough.

As for Cribari, let us face it, the guy should not see the field. He is slow, and very blunder-friendly. He cost us the game against Salzburg, and if you guys watched the game yesterday, the second goal was a lousy clearance from his part too !!!

Come to our midfield, we lack speed, quality is lacking I mean yes we do not have the midfield of Bayern Munich or Real Madrid, but the names are not that bad !!!

Yet still we see no creativity, dull passing, slow pace, and I will be talking about the tiredeness of the players but thats not the issue, it was obvious against Salzburg before the streak of non stop games started.

And no I dont believe its Ledesma that will add quality to our team. Ledesma used to play the ugliest football last seaon, he did not run, his passes cut most of the time, so no gentlemen, he is not the answer.

Our midfield is not spread, I always notice the players next to each other, and this makes it easier for our opponents to keep their team intact. With our slow game, we are so predictable, we end up losing every ball.

Notice how easy it is to take the ball from us, they mark us very easily....

Our offense is something to be proud of, but if they are not supplied with the balls, they can do nothing.

Zarate cannot do anything with our style of play. We are too dependant on him, and he finds himself running alone most of the times since hardly anyone else runs with him.

Of course, the guy pisses everyone off with his selfishness at many times, but its not only his fault. Its also if you look at the other players when Zarate has the ball, they all stand still !!! I am yet to see someone take a position like Rocchi does !!

Another problem we have is our lack of motivation. In the last couple of years, I cannot remember Lazio putting a good performance about supposedly weaker teams on paper. Although I am of the opinion that we are not stronger than Parma (but I think our players think so).

I only see Lazio perform and the players running for every ball when we are facing stronger opposition, like we did against Inter, or Juve. This is a mental problem that has two possibilities:

1. Either we are very careless against weaker teams.
2. The players only think of themselves so they try to perform in big games because they are seen s that they can run away.

Both reasons point to a mental problem. And here is Ballardini's responsibility. He was able to motivate Palermo to great extents. Something needs to be done to motivate our players. The lack of motivation and carelessness we see at many times in our games is so frustrating.

Watching the games is becoming a punishment, a performance of a team with no guts, no spirit, and no plan....

I see us playing badly, and then Ballardini seems helpless, he should be able to gather them in the dressing room and spank them all so they run and run and run !!! Motivation !!

And yes, I know we are tired. True, maybe this is an answer to many of the above problems I listed above. I was thinking about how Diakite was in pain and was not even substituted....

We need our injured players back, and we need a defender BADLY.

If things continue to be like this we are doomed. What happened to that defender we supposedly bought Agelieri or something ? I remember he was an Argentine National Team player....

zoran wrote:

LazioS70 wrote:

Guys suht the f*ck up......Roberto Baronio has totally re-found himself. Against parma i saw the biggest relief from the parma coach when baronio left the pitch.....he was a real danger all the time. Ledesmas free-kicks arent even close to him. Ledesma can say goodbye for Lazio. He will never take robertos place back. He is fast and almost all the time creates chances just Zarate and Cruz are wasting all of them. I hope he wont accept that barca deal in janaury....which i cant say to manfre...because he will defenetly leave in january to join real madrid.

hahaha OMG OMG...r we talking about football...bwahahahuahua...also after this game Chelsea is offering 69milion euro for Baronio and already start a rumor about the best europeean footballer of the milenium award...

bravo zoran bravo

I have nothing against baronio just think that he is not player for us, if we believe in europe.baronio is slow in giving the ball forward, and fought against a player seeking a quick ball like zarate

Conn wrote:

LazioS70 wrote:

Guys suht the f*ck up......Roberto Baronio has totally re-found himself. Against parma i saw the biggest relief from the parma coach when baronio left the pitch.....he was a real danger all the time. Ledesmas free-kicks arent even close to him. Ledesma can say goodbye for Lazio. He will never take robertos place back. He is fast and almost all the time creates chances just Zarate and Cruz are wasting all of them. I hope he wont accept that barca deal in janaury....which i cant say to manfre...because he will defenetly leave in january to join real madrid.

1. You are very unfair. Roberto Baronio and those who step onto the pitch do not deserve to be ridiculed. They do what they can, at their best. Someone decided we have to play a match on every three days with Siviglia, Cribari, Baronio and Meghni. That's very simple.

2. Your views seem to have changed in a few weeks time... isn't it? Reminder...

LazioS70 wrote:

Without Lotito you would honor a new club with no history like viola fans do....Its still S.S.LAZIO 1900 and thats only because of Claudio Lotito.
If our financial situation would be unstable no-one like Cruz or Zarate would sign for us.
And i dont know bentsson either....like i didnt knew Zarate...thats why there are scouts who search for talents. And i didnt knew Kolarov or Lichsteiner to....now i know all of them...they are world class...and are all brought here by Lotitos men.

LazioS70 wrote:

Lets forget about Bentsson...hes history now.....it gets to the same level as with madecoanians and their precious pandev....Lotito has had a good mercado and i think we will be even stronger because its not over yet.

I'm not forgetting what I read in this forum when I and centrocampista and few others attacked lotito, anticipating the dangers of this season. Mo v'aspetto a tutti e so cazzi vostri...

Sorry, I do not want baronio laugh and not a single player from Lazio, but I just think we deserve a better player in the middle, it is our brain , baronio play football as 15 years ago, slowly, we may see the form and being caught something from him. Lazio Forever ,hello from croazia

Meyo wrote:

One of our main problems is that our defense plainly sucks.... Diakite is the only player who can deliver defensively. Let us not kid ourselves, we cannot compete with a defense made of Cribari and Siviglia, and Lichesti and Kolarov are not that good of defenders, they give us lots of strength on the sides, but defesively we suffer because of them too.

The problem is obvious, we count on our full backs to attack. We lose the ball, our central defense is slow and cannot mark their own shadow, so we concede. It has happened with Catania, with Salzburg, and now with Parma.

Diakite is good but still a bit unexperienced, he needs a solid defender next to him. Siviglia plays with all his heart, but let us face it, it aint enough.

As for Cribari, let us face it, the guy should not see the field. He is slow, and very blunder-friendly. He cost us the game against Salzburg, and if you guys watched the game yesterday, the second goal was a lousy clearance from his part too !!!

And no I dont believe its Ledesma that will add quality to our team. Ledesma used to play the ugliest football last seaon, he did not run, his passes cut most of the time, so no gentlemen, he is not the answer.

We need our injured players back, and we need a defender BADLY.
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Totaly agree with your whole post, man. I too think that Ledesma is not the answer, cause even last season when we had him, i still felt that we needed one or two players in the midfield to cover for his lack of moving. Don't taje me wrong, i still think that we could use him but not as an answer to our problems in the midfield, just as an upgrade or an option in the midfield.

As for the defense, we need DEFENDERS BADLY, Not one, but at least two of them, if not three. All of our CB's are trap and there i will include Diakite, cause other that his fisical presence, let;s face it, he's not that smart of a guy and that's something you can't teach. At least not at his age. I will not even comment Cribari. Siviglia is not bad, but not good also and would never be a starter in another club with ambitions like Lazio's. Radu played as CB in Romania, but he seemed to scared and soft when he did that for us a couple of times. Honestly, now i'm sad thhat we sold Rozehnal withoit getting a good replacement.

This result really hurts. Hope we find ourselves again soon. The fatique of the team seems to become a real problem now. I dont know if Ledesma and Pandev should be included again. At least I feel Stendardo should perhaps get another chance to shore up our failing defensive line.

Houston we have a problem!!!!

Lotito must act in January or else we will be embarrassed in every field.





p.s. Expect a victory against Palermo.

Signori10 i was joking with baronio...it was ironically said.
I havent changed my mind on anything. I just made those jokes because here are people who are praising baronio and mauri like they are new-born stars.........they are a total disaster in the midfield. I think lotito nor tare were never-ever planing to use baronio as a starter-playmaker....its just because we were missing that money from ledesma and pandev to buy reinforcements. We didint got it and we have no other choice.
I am sure all of them (Ballardini, Tare, Lotito) are watching the calendar for it turns to january.
I am planing to swap my bed...i can give my old one to mauri then he could sleep quietly on the edge of the field. Wake-up you bastard.

Conn wrote:

Caxi wrote:

First things first, Parma are underrated and as I said in pre-season, I expect them to go Top 10 and push the Top 6. I actually think they are on a similar level to us so while a loss is not exactly satisfying, I can't say I didn't expect it.

"Not exactly satisfying"??? LOL

Ok, let's put down our pants whenever a medium level team comes at Olimpico. Let's keep blaming the referees, the injuries and the bad luck. It's perfectly fine to play a match on every three days with Baronio, Meghni, Cribari, Siviglia. We don't need Pandev, Ledesma, Stendardo and Firmani. Everything goes well and we are not on the road to disaster, even if it can be "not exactly satisfying".

Im just trying to play it down a little. I don't think losing the quality of the dissidenti is key and I don't think leaving them guys out of the squad gives us such a small squad to work with either. I don't want to make excuses for recent performances but injuries are forcing Ballardini's hands and thus, he has to play the same tired players week in week out.

We've no fit back-up for many players in many positions and I think that is the key factor.

Sile wrote:

signori10 wrote:

Another great result. I knew parma was going to do well against Lazio. The games are getting to painful to watch. What a joke. This team is in a bad funk. If they keep this up they will be fighting to stay in Serie A this season. But thankfully its only the 5th game. I hope Lazio get some injured players back very soon.

It's still early. There are too many injured and tired players. I'm seriously worried about this weekend, Diakite could hardly stand by the end of the game. Licht hasn't had a minute rest since the beginning, Kolarov is suspended etc etc

Our defense is suffering. Cribari is getting worse every game, and we can't compensate for him.

The January mercato can't come soon enough.

I share your pain man!!

Don´t forget that the January mercato could very well turn out to be the same disaster as the summer mercato - I mean if Pandev and Ledesma refuse to go nothing will change.

I missed the game unfortunitley, started university and havent yet installed broadband.

But when i phoned home. Honestly I predicted either 1-1 or 1-2 before i was told the result.

Does not suprise me in the slightest.

But guys, iv been making a point about this for a while now, we know the midfield is a catastrophe, dont start me on the defence, but in terms of performing at home, im looking at the bigger picture.....The Stadium?

We will never ever be able to compete with the best in this league until we sort it out.

A 20-40% full Olimpico is a laughing stock and does not help us what so ever, not to mention the fans are so far away from the pitch.

We need a Genoa like Cauldron atmosphere, to really get the team playing, and we can only do this when we move stadium.

Home advantage is nothing at this moment, i wont be suprised if our away record is better than the home one at all.

We need it sorted big style.

In terms of the team, i cant really add anything in terms of whats already been said. Its common knowledge that our midfield is woeful, and our centre Backs are brutal.

The only positive from last night was Zarate scoring, hopefully he can rasie his game now, because we need him now more than ever.

As for Baronio, much better than Dabo, he's been punching way above his weight so far this season, but id be lying if i said i didnt want Ledesma back in the team.

Worrying Times.

Epilogue is even better:

Kolarov will be suspended for the next 2 matches. Unbe-fucking-leivable.

centrocampista wrote:

Sile wrote:

signori10 wrote:

Another great result. I knew parma was going to do well against Lazio. The games are getting to painful to watch. What a joke. This team is in a bad funk. If they keep this up they will be fighting to stay in Serie A this season. But thankfully its only the 5th game. I hope Lazio get some injured players back very soon.

It's still early. There are too many injured and tired players. I'm seriously worried about this weekend, Diakite could hardly stand by the end of the game. Licht hasn't had a minute rest since the beginning, Kolarov is suspended etc etc

Our defense is suffering. Cribari is getting worse every game, and we can't compensate for him.

The January mercato can't come soon enough.

I share your pain man!!

Don´t forget that the January mercato could very well turn out to be the same disaster as the summer mercato - I mean if Pandev and Ledesma refuse to go nothing will change.

Disaster is looming.

Faraoni is suspected to have torn the crucial ligaments in his left knee, and if so he'll be out for at least 5 months.
Siviglia again injured.
Kolarov is suspended for the next 2 games.
Diakite is on hte brink of an injury.
Scaloni is injured.
Lichtsteiner played every game from start to finish since the season began in Beijing. Even Forrest can't run forever.
Cribari is playing the worst he has played since he came.

Where is Radu? Can we re-integrate Stendardo?

We're in serious trouble.

It's not just a matter of "quality", is also a matter of "quantity"... is it a so complicated concept? We struggle to fill the bench. Yesterday evening we fielded (with Meghni instead than Matuzalem) the worse midfield in all Serie A.

1. We left out 2 quality players
2. We have not a good enough number of players to play a match on every three days
3. Many players who were good years ago are simply getting "old"
4. We didn't sign the reinforcements we needed


These 4 facts show why we are a weaker team than last year and we are sinking. They were all clear in the summer, but the lucky victories against Inter, Atalanta and Chievo made many people think we were unbeatable... GOOD MORNING TO YOU!

What would it take then? a squad of 40 players? 50?

we have at least 2 players in every position.

Muslera-Bizarri
Licht - Scaloni
Siviglia - Faraoni
Cribari - Diakite
Kolarov - Radu
Foggia - Brocchi
Baronio - Dabo
Mauri - Eliseu
Matuzalem - Meghni
Cruz - Inzaghi
Zarate - Rocchi

plus the others.

What dramatic difference would the two make? It was a mistake not getting a quality defender, I'm not arguing that, but the situation turned for worse when injuries started. Something has to be done about that.
One good result is needed to turn the tide. And a medical team to keep players healthy.

we need firmani in the midfield and stendardo in centre back ,, i believe firmani is a hard worker midfield like brocchi and i also believe that he can cheer up other player and burn the spirits of our squad.. also it's good if we reintegrated ledesma + pandev considering we're playing twice a week

Sile wrote:

What would it take then? a squad of 40 players? 50?

we have at least 2 players in every position.

Muslera-Bizarri
Licht - Scaloni
Siviglia - Faraoni
Cribari - Diakite
Kolarov - Radu
Foggia - Brocchi
Baronio - Dabo
Mauri - Eliseu
Matuzalem - Meghni
Cruz - Inzaghi
Zarate - Rocchi

plus the others.

What dramatic difference would the two make? It was a mistake not getting a quality defender, I'm not arguing that, but the situation turned for worse when injuries started. Something has to be done about that.
One good result is needed to turn the tide. And a medical team to keep players healthy.

I can't disagree with this, it's not a lack of numbers that is the problem but a lack of quality in our depth and a lack of depth due to injury. This leads to a severe loss in confidence and high levels of fatigue and what would really help would be to get a few guys fit again and pick up a good result.

Sile wrote:

What would it take then? a squad of 40 players? 50?

we have at least 2 players in every position.

Muslera-Bizarri
Licht - Scaloni
Siviglia - Faraoni
Cribari - Diakite
Kolarov - Radu
Foggia - Brocchi
Baronio - Dabo
Mauri - Eliseu
Matuzalem - Meghni
Cruz - Inzaghi
Zarate - Rocchi

plus the others.

What dramatic difference would the two make? It was a mistake not getting a quality defender, I'm not arguing that, but the situation turned for worse when injuries started. Something has to be done about that.
One good result is needed to turn the tide. And a medical team to keep players healthy.

Guys, if you want to keep fooling yourselves in lotito's style please do. Just a small note for you.

When I talked about players, I meant "football players" that can be reasonably fielded in a Serie A match. Not just anyone, otherwise you could join Lazio too and contribute greatly to this club .

If we have two players for each position, however, then someone please can explain me why I never see Scaloni, Inzaghi and Faraoni? and also I'd like to know why when I see Meghni, Eliseu and Radu I wish I did not.

About the injuries, everyone knows that one of the major cause of strains is playing when lightly injured, instead than resting. But if you have no subs then you cannot rest players, no? Diakite, Cruz and Lichsteiner will be the next ones.

PS "plus the others" what does it mean? Del Nero? the Primavera players? Are we getting back Vignaroli and Tare?

If you want my honest opinion, then it's this: a major problem is players who realize that they aren't even in some cases second choice, yet they refuse to leave. This is not about the dissidenti, it's about players like Mutarelli, Mudingay, Makinwa, Inzaghi, Cribari to an extent.
They find it comfortable here, and refuse to go to a weaker club where they could get playing time.
This creates problems at every mercato. Lotito wants to offload them, they refuse to go, we can't get players we want, which leaves us with a massive squad with hardly a quality first eleven +3 subs necessary to play an entire game.

So what to do with Bonetto, Makinwa, Inzaghi? We can't force them to move, we can't even loan them, and we can't get the players we want because we're cash strapped and can't afford having this many players on a payroll.

The 22 players I wrote down above, + a reserve keeper, a quality new CB, resolution of the Ledesma situation any which way, keeping Firmani and finding a suitable solution for right flank would be enough. All others should go as soon as possible.
Inter and Juve have a 27 player roster, Samp and Fio have 25. We have 34.

Conn wrote:

PS "plus the others" what does it mean? Del Nero? the Primavera players? Are we getting back Vignaroli and Tare?

manfredini, stendardo, Firmani, Ledesma and Pandev.

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you don't see Scaloni because he's injured, Faraoni plyed but unfortunately he has a massive injury and will be out for 5-6 months, and Simone is only good for running around like a headless chicken. In fact I wanted him to come on in the dying minutes of the game, at least he wasn't tired.

Sile, we are the only team in Serie A (and probably in all professional football) with a such messy situation in the relationships between players and management.

Is it just by chance or perhaps we are being managed by someone who is not able to do so?

LOTITO VATTENE ... and here ends my contribution to this topic.

PS. your "plus the others" at the moment are playing in tribuna...

Conn wrote:

Sile, we are the only team in Serie A (and probably in all professional football) with a such messy situation in the relationships between players and management.

Is it just by chance or perhaps we are being managed by someone who is not able to do so?

LOTITO VATTENE ... and here ends my contribution to this topic.

PS. your "plus the others" at the moment are playing in tribuna...

Really? Only ones?
Explain this - when Cesar wanted to leave and left, he was a merc. When Jimenez wanted to leave and left he was a merc. When Ledesma and Pandev express wishes to leave, they are mercs. When Mutarelli refuses to leave, he's a nuissance. As is Mudingay. As is Inzaghi, Makinwa, Manfredini.

Are we supposed to have a touchy-feely relationship with players and only sell the players that we wish to sell and who want to go themselves? And then when a lucrative offer comes for i.e. Muslera? what happens then?

You only came here to shout Lotito Vattene. He's not the one making blunders in the dying minutes or the one missing sitting ducks. Football's played on the pitch not from Monte Mario.

Sile wrote:

You only came here to shout Lotito Vattene. He's not the one making blunders in the dying minutes or the one missing sitting ducks. Football's played on the pitch not from Monte Mario.

Lazio fans like you do deserve lotito. Stai bene così.

Conn wrote:

Sile wrote:

You only came here to shout Lotito Vattene. He's not the one making blunders in the dying minutes or the one missing sitting ducks. Football's played on the pitch not from Monte Mario.

Lazio fans like you do deserve lotito. Stai bene così.

Who is it that you deserve? Moratti? Abramovich? Cragnotti? Chinaglia?

Me ne frego.