Claudio Lotito

Actually I don't think we can compare Nesta with Macheda..... two totally different scenarios....

I guess the strength of the 'youth academy' at a club are measured by number of decent and even half-decent players it produces.....

whether they go on to play for the club as well, or whether they are sold off early, or are poached early by bigger clubs - simply has no bearing on the youth academy itself. Now we are talking about the strength of the 'societa'.... meaning financial clout.....mostly...

So by above logic, we can say that our youth sector is doing well.... not tremendous, but well....

Some peope in here can´t read - when did Macheda represent Lazio?

Fact remains - beside Nesta no other player have come from our youth academy to represent us in a big way (or at all). DiVaio is the only other player I can think of but he never got a chance to play for us.

I think that Paolo Di Canio needs to mentioned. Although I am sure that you disagree, as always.

The thing just is that player like Nesta is uniqe for us. Worlds best defenders are not raining in the sky, atleast not today

centrocampista wrote:

Some peope in here can´t read - when did Macheda represent Lazio?

Fact remains - beside Nesta no other player have come from our youth academy to represent us in a big way (or at all). DiVaio is the only other player I can think of but he never got a chance to play for us.

Some people are retarded enough not to know when the logic of their point has been shattered to pieces by a single word, a single name, and persist in everlasting twisting of sentences and inventing always new criteria as to how and why their logic and point of view are impenetrable and irreproachable.

When Macheda made it, and made it big, all the relevant newspapers, news portals, radio and TV shows reported he is "a Lazio youth school product". What some people's opinions on his transfer to ManU and on FIFA legislation pertaining to the matter are I don't give a flying fuck about as it is besides the point.

And, I'm not addressing you, I'm addressing "some people".

centrocampista wrote:

Some peope in here can´t read - when did Macheda represent Lazio?

Fact remains - beside Nesta no other player have come from our youth academy to represent us in a big way (or at all). DiVaio is the only other player I can think of but he never got a chance to play for us.

I'm actually flabbergasted.....A player doesn't have to actually play for the club to have been a product of the club, and anyway ur issue was that our Youth System isn't great. How is it the Youth System's fault if Macheda or De Silvestri left? They don't deal with contracts and transfers!

Giolazio wrote:

centrocampista wrote:

Some peope in here can´t read - when did Macheda represent Lazio?

Fact remains - beside Nesta no other player have come from our youth academy to represent us in a big way (or at all). DiVaio is the only other player I can think of but he never got a chance to play for us.

I'm actually flabbergasted.....A player doesn't have to actually play for the club to have been a product of the club, and anyway ur issue was that our Youth System isn't great. How is it the Youth System's fault if Macheda or De Silvestri left? They don't deal with contracts and transfers!

It´s silly to claim that we have a great youth academy when Nesta is the only one who has represented us the last 15 years. I will admit that we had a really good thing going - but not anymore.

centrocampista wrote:

Giolazio wrote:

centrocampista wrote:

Some peope in here can´t read - when did Macheda represent Lazio?

Fact remains - beside Nesta no other player have come from our youth academy to represent us in a big way (or at all). DiVaio is the only other player I can think of but he never got a chance to play for us.

I'm actually flabbergasted.....A player doesn't have to actually play for the club to have been a product of the club, and anyway ur issue was that our Youth System isn't great. How is it the Youth System's fault if Macheda or De Silvestri left? They don't deal with contracts and transfers!

It´s silly to claim that we have a great youth academy when Nesta is the only one who has represented us the last 15 years. I will admit that we had a really good thing going - but not anymore.

so by your logic, Milan would have the worst youth academy in the world. Right?

One Maldini in last 20 years?

indian_eagle wrote:

centrocampista wrote:

Giolazio wrote:

centrocampista wrote:

Some peope in here can´t read - when did Macheda represent Lazio?

Fact remains - beside Nesta no other player have come from our youth academy to represent us in a big way (or at all). DiVaio is the only other player I can think of but he never got a chance to play for us.

I'm actually flabbergasted.....A player doesn't have to actually play for the club to have been a product of the club, and anyway ur issue was that our Youth System isn't great. How is it the Youth System's fault if Macheda or De Silvestri left? They don't deal with contracts and transfers!

It´s silly to claim that we have a great youth academy when Nesta is the only one who has represented us the last 15 years. I will admit that we had a really good thing going - but not anymore.

so by your logic, Milan would have the worst youth academy in the world. Right?

One Maldini in last 20 years?

Milan have serious problems and among those problems is the fact that their youth academy hasn´t produced anything really great in several years - yes my logic is true in this case.

Sacking Patarca was disrespectful and very wrong, and very upseting at the time, but today I don't know enough about our youth acedemy to say if it's good or bad. There is not much information about it except from some articles about Sesena's primavera and their matches.

Centrocampista is however right about Lazio not producing one single player for the starting lineup since Nesta. We had De Silvestri for a year, but Lotito decided not to give him the support he deserved.

Instead of giving the likes of Tuia, Faraoni, Mancini and Mandicino (Greco etc in the past) a chance Lotito decided to sign players like Bonetto, Degré and Stendardo (in the past Vignaroli, Belleri etc) on free transfer. Now he's stuck with all those players on long term contracts, and as long as they are still in the squad it's impossible to give the youngsters a chance. To be honest neither Cragnotti was not very good with making room for the talants in the first squad, but you can't say that Lotito has been better.

Also signing Barreto doesn't make me very comfortable. Naturally I hope he will develope to a starter and have many succesful years with us, but personally I feel very sorry for the likes of Mendicino and Mancini. I fear they will realize they have no room in the squad and decide to leave.

And I rather have an own product in the starting eleven then a bought talent. But maybe that's just me.

Of course, but I can't think of too many youth products since Nesta who actually made an impact elsewhere. So, it's not like we are losing top notch youngsters.

None of our current young guns have proved themselves when they were given the chance. Kozak and Mendicino were given spells and they were poor so what do we do?

I appreciate that our academy hasn't produced a mass amount of top players but Macheda was stolen and De Silvestri is no longer a youngster and he didn't break through. So, I don't see the problem of signing a player like Barreto.

Caxi wrote:

Of course, but I can't think of too many youth products since Nesta who actually made an impact elsewhere. So, it's not like we are losing top notch youngsters.

None of our current young guns have proved themselves when they were given the chance. Kozak and Mendicino were given spells and they were poor so what do we do?

I appreciate that our academy hasn't produced a mass amount of top players but Macheda was stolen and De Silvestri is no longer a youngster and he didn't break through. So, I don't see the problem of signing a player like Barreto.

You're of course right, calling them "top notch youngers" would be a tad exaggerated

The Macheda-case was of course special. But it also proves that some of these guys coming from the primavera has potential. There were not much talk about Macheda before he moved to Manchester. If you compare him with Mendicino, Tuia and Mancini, there has been more talks about them. And I'm pretty convinced they all have the same talent as Macheda. The difference is that no one believed in them, gave them chances and the right tools (which I'm pretty sure Man U gave Macheda).

If they get that chance in serie B at the age of 20 a potential good career could instead go in the other direction.

And to be honest, if Macheda would not have left, would he really be in our first squad today? Probably not if you see what happened to Mendicino and Tuia. Lotito already decided to bring in other players on their positions, like Del Nero and Diakité. How many summers have we heard that the squad is to big and that we need to sell before we buy? And where does that leave the youngsters? Lotito made this mess himself.

I don't think it's fair to say that Mendicino was given a chance. He did not play nearly enough to be able to prove his value, beeing a youngster playing in serie A for the first time in his career. Then we have Mancini that has been held back by players like Vignaroli, and Tuia by players like Diakité. By the way, I fail to understand how players like Diakité and Kozak could be given a chance before Tuia and Mendicino. But I guess that was Rossi's decision.

De Silvestri played regular for us in one year, representanted Italy in the Olympics and was bought by a club known for picking up talents in his age. And we still got plenty of cash for him despite his contract situation. I can't really see how that could be considered a failure. And I fail to see how a club with one of the best DS:s in Italy could pay this kind of money for a player if they don't think he can develope.

Considering Barreto, I believe a better investment would have been to spend those millions on a central defender and let the talents from our primavera get the chance they deserve. It's not like we lack attackers, and this probably means that Mendicino and Mancini as usual will not be given a chance. In addition to that I think Lazio should contain Laziali.

But I don't know. If Barreto developes maybe I'll have to eat my words...

As usual, you make very good points. I think the key is to wait a season or two, see how things pan out and cast judgement then. This is the brightest I have seen our youth look for quite a few years and it would probably be a bit harsh of us to criticise anyone in particular now.

Caxi wrote:

As usual, you make very good points. I think the key is to wait a season or two, see how things pan out and cast judgement then. This is the brightest I have seen our youth look for quite a few years and it would probably be a bit harsh of us to criticise anyone in particular now.

Agreed. Let's wait and see. Personally I'm very excited about seeing Tuia and Mendicino in their new clubs. Could be really interesting!

Caxi wrote:

Of course, but I can't think of too many youth products since Nesta who actually made an impact elsewhere. So, it's not like we are losing top notch youngsters.

Your reasoning is superb!! Since no youthplayer has made a name for himself at another club we are doing a great job!!

Caxi wrote:

None of our current young guns have proved themselves when they were given the chance. Kozak and Mendicino were given spells and they were poor so what do we do?

What are you saying? that we as a club give youthplayers a chance? because 87min /season in the cup isn´t a chance it´s a joke. What we do is invest more money in the youth academy of course!! (we certainly didn´t invest anyhwere else).

Caxi wrote:

I appreciate that our academy hasn't produced a mass amount of top players but Macheda was stolen and De Silvestri is no longer a youngster and he didn't break through. So, I don't see the problem of signing a player like Barreto.

Signing Barreto isn´t a problem. The fact that we don´t produce players in the youth academy is. It´s important to remember that during the Cragnotti days winning was all that mattered and every player in the squad was near world class - we finished 10 - 12th (I don´t remember) and looking at our squad it´s pretty fair to say that no player beside Zarate is world class - so it´s shouldn´t really be a problem to take more chances with youth players. [/quote]

Caxi wrote:

It irritates me that we are developing talents for other teams to steal. Right now, I don't feel it is worth investing in the academy. As soon as the rules change (which I believe they will) then it becomes a different matter altogether.

I actually think taking risks on the Barreto's and Kozak's is the right approach at present.

Well this says it all doesn´t it? I as most Laziofans would rather have a team full of youthplayers and fight for survival then a team full of Cruzes, Manfredinis and Del Neros fighting for 12th place.

This has completely turned out to be a thread on our focus on the youth team... and thats because many feel that whatever Lazio is having problem with, its down to Lotito since he is il presidente...

fine... i have no problem with that reasoning.... but in that case, shouldn't we create or rename this entire forum on him.... since almost any topic would be like someone blaming something on him.... or in centro's case, everything....

indian_eagle wrote:

This has completely turned out to be a thread on our focus on the youth team... and thats because many feel that whatever Lazio is having problem with, its down to Lotito since he is il presidente...

fine... i have no problem with that reasoning.... but in that case, shouldn't we create or rename this entire forum on him.... since almost any topic would be like someone blaming something on him.... or in centro's case, everything....

Honestly I can´t think of a single problem at Lazio that isn´t Lotitos fault - not a single thing!!

We have a taxdebt - so does every other team.

I can answer my own post.

But Centro not every team has a taxdebt of 180mil euro.

To witch I reply

But X not every team is located in Rome.

I consider our potential just as great as all top teams beside United, Barca, Real, Chelsea and Arsenal (londonclubs are hard to match).

centrocampista wrote:

I can answer my own post.

Might as well, it's you that's the most active in this thread anyway, we just have to wait how long it will pass until you blast a racist remark at your own self after you disagree with yourself at one point

centrocampista wrote:

I can answer my own post.

But Centro not every team has a taxdebt of 180mil euro.

To witch I reply

But X not every team is located in Rome.

I consider our potential just as great as all top teams beside United, Barca, Real, Chelsea and Arsenal (londonclubs are hard to match).

Haha, even if I don't agree with you in all your opinions allways I can't stop my self from admiring your stubborness and your passion for hating Lotito . We need people of all opinions to develope as a club

Cragnotti didn't believe much in the youth teams too, but at least he didn't wipe out all the Lazio youth team staff, including legends as Patarca. The very men who were able to pull out players such as Nesta, Di Canio, Di Vaio, Di Biagio, Marchionni and so on.

More importantly, Cragnotti did not replace the youth team staff with friends / army generals.

Conn wrote:

Cragnotti didn't believe much in the youth teams too, but at least he didn't wipe out all the Lazio youth team staff, including legends as Patarca. The very men who were able to pull out players such as Nesta, Di Canio, Di Vaio, Di Biagio, Marchionni and so on.

More importantly, Cragnotti did not replace the youth team staff with friends / army generals.

I assume Coletta is one of them you refer to. The same Coletta that Lotito sent to the youth academy to more or less push away Patarca, they say...

Do you know which other persons that controls the academy now? I'm finding it a bit difficult to find relevant information about this.

And by the way - let's add Pinzi to your list. Anyone else willing to contribute?

My plan to take over Laziofever by collecting all fans who hate Lotito is working!!!

Guys I was thinking a "swedish section" and we need more nudity to sell banners (so we can afford to buy players). Also I was thinking a webshop with Lazioshirts you would actually wear

attacante/Centro.../dr.

Your hate for Mr Lotito is bigger then your love for la Lazio and that is a big misstake your doing.
If you are a true laziale you should wake up once in your life..

Skenderbeu wrote:

attacante/Centro.../dr.

Your hate for Mr Lotito is bigger then your love for la Lazio and that is a big misstake your doing.
If you are a true laziale you should wake up once in your life..

I wake up every morning dude ... or else I would be late for work.

centrocampista wrote:

Skenderbeu wrote:

attacante/Centro.../dr.

Your hate for Mr Lotito is bigger then your love for la Lazio and that is a big misstake your doing.
If you are a true laziale you should wake up once in your life..

I wake up every morning dude ... or else I would be late for work.

hahaha