You only have yourself to blame Lotito.

Don´t cry in public about players wanting to leave Lazio when you brought this on yourself. Instead of extending contracts and raising salaries when there is still time Lotito makes the player wait and wait and wait and soon enough there is a better offer on the horizon.

Pandev will leave
Ledesma will leave
LDS will leave

Why would Zarate want to join?

The worst part is the amount of money that will be lost on these transfers :(

Back to square zero.

Harsh.

When you look at how much it cost us to acquire these players (virtually nothing) and how much they have given to the squad in their performances (a cup win, CL qualification, unmeasurable quantities of money) we have not lost but gained as a result of them.

The "loss" you speak of is potential.

Is it Lotito's fault that Lichtsteiner is better than LDS?
Is it Lotito's fault that Pandev feels he is too big for Lazio?
Is it Lotito's fault Ledesma's agent has never hinted that his client would ever stay?

Goran once announced he was close to agreeing an extension. Talks were supposedly taking place but they broke down and Pandev wanted to move. It's sad, but it happens. Perhaps Claudio should have negotiated sooner but we are not economically sound, we can't extend big players contracts long before they expire because it sends our salary expenditure into overdrive. We extend lesser player's contracts to decrease our salary expenditure and increase their market value.

Claudio managed to tie down Foggia, a player who expressed a desire to stay and had time to run on his contract. Proof that these accusations are more than a little harsh.

I agree he could have handled it all better but he doesn't mess up deliberately and hindsight is a wonderful thing. If Goran, Cristian and Lollo had the dedication to the club that we, as fans, should expect then we would say Lotito handled this perfectly.

We live and die by our decisions. We all make mistakes.

I acknowledge that its frustrating that top players want to leave, but its happend before and we have bounced back. Ultimately though I can't be too harsh on Lotito or anyone for that matter as I don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

What I find most annoying about this is that if these players leave then replacements have to be found and that could take the emphasis of this mercato off what I had hoped we would achieve, i.e. covering up the cracks in the central defence and certainly shaking off some of the deadwood that is in our massive squad. The flip side of the coin is of course that perhaps our two best players, Foggia and Zarate, have been signed up to the club. Add into the mix promising talents like Kolarov, Lich, Radu, Diakite, and Muslera then the future is bright.

One thing that is for certain is that the sooner these players futures are sorted out the better as if they are sold we have more time to sort out replacements. I would hate for them to be sold in the last day of the window and for us to walk out empty handed replacement wise.

The thing is....everytime Lotito has 'lost' one of these players he has always brought in someone better.

Giolazio wrote:

The thing is....everytime Lotito has 'lost' one of these players he has always brought in someone better.

exactly , i had the image that he's a cheap bastard , but take a closer look to the situation? he's the smartest sob ive ever seen , and never let us down with the loans and the buy out things unlike others who payed millions for flops !! he tries them if they succeeded they earn their place in the squad if not he sends them packing home ! great strategy !

Well, centrocampista, I think you are just not banned from this forum because you don't offend others, but generally for your senseless posts you should have gone for quite some time already. As others said it's not Lotito's fault that a player like Ledesma has a stupid agent or that De Silvestri thinks he is Maicon or Dani Alves flying down the right wing. He is only flying while on the plane. And about Pandev, where are those multi million offers? Do you want to tell me he is not worth 15€ million compared to what other players are paid these days? Obviously he is, since he has shown his value for quite some time. So why sell him underpriced? That's totally stupid, especially if you consider that you still have to pay him just 400.000€ this season and that's already a bargain. Remember that he didn't cost us a penny when we got him in the Stankovic deal. Remember how people where whining when we sold Oddo? Lotito had Behrami to replace him and when he sold him to West Ham he made plus, now Behrami is injured and was injury-prone before. He replaced him with Lichtsteiner who has done a great job and is a very solid player and I didn't see many players in Italy this past season at his position playing better than him. So Lollo should shut up and try to play his way into the team like a player of his age should do. So don't blame it on the wrong ones just to make noise against Lotito once more, who, btw, spent a lot of money on a player everybody wanted to stay, Mauro Zarate.

centrocampista wrote:

Don´t cry in public about players wanting to leave Lazio when you brought this on yourself. Instead of extending contracts and raising salaries when there is still time Lotito makes the player wait and wait and wait and soon enough there is a better offer on the horizon.

Pandev will leave
Ledesma will leave
LDS will leave

Why would Zarate want to join?

The worst part is the amount of money that will be lost on these transfers :(

Back to square zero.

i can sign this!
p.s. someone up say the Pandev feels to big for Lazio - "Not truth". he just want new and bigger contract - now he earns little much moren than 500k per year. Teo Walcot who is U21 earns over 3mil per year (over 6 times more), ...
Bojan Krkic and Nicklas Bendtner who r much more younger earns over 1mil per year,...
Mario Balotelli over 1.3mil per year, Gonzalo Higuain 1.8 mil per year....(i don't mention Aguero who earns 5mil per year - 10 times more than Pandev)
this players are much,much more younger than Pandev.

...and these players play in clubs which have a lot of more money than Lazio.

You are naming the highest rated young players in world football.

Pandev asked for a contact extension, said he was close to an agreement and was likely to sign but then announced he was leaving after we gained the slightest bit of success.

I don't think money can be regarded as the issue anymore.

Caxi wrote:

You are naming the highest rated young players in world football.

Pandev asked for a contact extension, said he was close to an agreement and was likely to sign but then announced he was leaving after we gained the slightest bit of success.

I don't think money can be regarded as the issue anymore.

1. What? Pandev is neither young nor highest rated. Ledesma has as a high rating? must be why clubs all over the world are trying to sign him. LDS?? please.

2. If Lotito had extended the contracts of said players when there was some time left on their contracts then the situation would have been completely different - it´s scary to tell a player he will be benched for a year but if you tell him he´ll be on the bench /stands for 3 years it´s enough to make you religous.

I don´t care what you think about my posts. There are a couple of members on the forum who think for themselves and I read their posts. The rest ... who cares? Do you think I cry infront of the screen when I read that you don´t like my posts?

Lazio deserves something else then Lotito and until he´s gone I´m going to continue hating him.

centrocampista wrote:

Caxi wrote:

You are naming the highest rated young players in world football.

Pandev asked for a contact extension, said he was close to an agreement and was likely to sign but then announced he was leaving after we gained the slightest bit of success.

I don't think money can be regarded as the issue anymore.

1. What? Pandev is neither young nor highest rated. Ledesma has as a high rating? must be why clubs all over the world are trying to sign him. LDS?? please.

2. If Lotito had extended the contracts of said players when there was some time left on their contracts then the situation would have been completely different - it´s scary to tell a player he will be benched for a year but if you tell him he´ll be on the bench /stands for 3 years it´s enough to make you religous.

I don´t care what you think about my posts. There are a couple of members on the forum who think for themselves and I read their posts. The rest ... who cares? Do you think I cry infront of the screen when I read that you don´t like my posts?

Lazio deserves something else then Lotito and until he´s gone I´m going to continue hating him.

Centro u have the right to hate or love the Lazio Presidente as anyone else.
The main fact is that only few, very few, in the world of football known the truth anout the market, the money, the contracts the % etc etc.. !
Do you think that Pandev wants money? yes he want.
Do you think that Pandev as 99% of the players loves the jersey? No.
Do you think that Ledesma play for glory? No.-

And , finally, Lorenzo. He is my "friend" he is Laziale he is romano and I ,as a Laziofan, love all this but..but he his a good player? He really deserve the field or someone else did better then him?

In a reasonable management of the whole team with a different President we will not argue on this market but, as i said, the main problems cames from Lotito style of the market management and today a team made by 50 elements is a huge boomerang.

So far you can hate him you can pray for Lotito vattene but, as i always ask to veryone, who is coming? Do we have anyone interested to la Lazio? if yes i am ready to help him if not, as it is, i take what i can from this societa' and i support la Lazio.

Simple and easy.

centrocampista wrote:

Caxi wrote:

You are naming the highest rated young players in world football.

Pandev asked for a contact extension, said he was close to an agreement and was likely to sign but then announced he was leaving after we gained the slightest bit of success.

I don't think money can be regarded as the issue anymore.

1. What? Pandev is neither young nor highest rated. Ledesma has as a high rating? must be why clubs all over the world are trying to sign him. LDS?? please.

2. If Lotito had extended the contracts of said players when there was some time left on their contracts then the situation would have been completely different - it´s scary to tell a player he will be benched for a year but if you tell him he´ll be on the bench /stands for 3 years it´s enough to make you religous.

I don´t care what you think about my posts. There are a couple of members on the forum who think for themselves and I read their posts. The rest ... who cares? Do you think I cry infront of the screen when I read that you don´t like my posts?

Lazio deserves something else then Lotito and until he´s gone I´m going to continue hating him.

Centro, my last post was a direct reply to Zoran's comment. As for your second point, I agree with you; many of us do but as I stated earlier in this thread he has his reasons.

As Erme suggested, few people understand the economic climate within football. We don't understand it fully either but we can infer and have a discussion about it. My personal opinion is that we should conduct our business differently to the big clubs of this world because unlike them, we know what it is like to suffer financially. My guess is that they will get their commupance eventually for bringing about the devaluation of contracts and allowing agents to become involved with the sport. We played our part in that in the past; that doesn't mean we should any longer. Of course, a happy medium would be ideal but unlikely to happen.

Dear Ermetico!

Why is it Udinese with their resources can manage such a great transferbalance? Because they have knowledge of football.

Lotito is /was a Laziofan but first of all he has a huge ego. His ultimate dream, like all egomaniacs, is to get attention and he loves nothing more then to stand in the middle of a sea of reporters and talk about Lazio or shake the hand of Galliani, Berlusconi etc. However then man is qualified to run a business as huge as Lazio - not today not in a million years. Italy is a complicated country to do business in and when Cragnottis ship was sinking there where no domestic or foreign businessmen with capital to salvage it. Lotito went for a longshot and it paid of. He got the taxplan and could buy Lazio at a discount price (I belive it was less than <30mil euros for the entire package and a paymentplan over 25years for the taxdebt).

The situation today is: Behrami left, Ledesma wants to leave, Pandev wants to leave, LDS wants to leave ... who is left??

Now case by case:

1. Behrami - excellent fullback, young, great first season - problemarea = he could leave as a art17 >>> solution = renew his contract after the first year would void art17 and who knows maybe we would have gotten x2 the money.

2. Pandev - for the last 2 years Lotito had a chance to extend Gorans contract but he opted not to because he knew that if he extended 1year later then the salary cost would be less for that year. Now Goran will be free to go wherever he wants to in 1 year and Lazio will get nothing. Lotito is upset and screams to the media that it´s unethical for agents /players etc to talk to other clubs but for godssake how naive can you get?? Had Lotito offered Goran 3 - 4 x his current salary a year ago then we wouldn´t have had this problem and Lazio wouldn´t risk losing the player for free.

3. Ledesma - it´s a copy of what happens to Goran.

4. LDS ... well I really don´t care but it´s a powerful indication of the state of the club when a symbol like LDS screams that he wants to leave his hometown club. LDS is a smart, young man and I´ll take his word over Lotitos 24/7.

5. Rossi ... oh my god. The man who gave us a coppa titel and a CL-place and for this he gets treated like an animal by Lotito. You could smell the satisfaction when Rossi opted to go without a job rather then work under Lotito. Grande Rossi.

6. The CL. When we qualified for the CL it was a golden moment to invest. There has never been a better time (since Lotito took over) to attract players to Lazio and Lotito used it to buy Del Nero - amazing stuff.

7. Walter Sabatini - then man, the myth and now he´s at Palermo .... yet another person who would rather work for Zamparini in the middle of Maffialand then with Lotito in the capital of europe.

Do you really want me to make the list longer?

I can recognize 2 basic problems: 1. The fear of change and 2 Lotito. Laziofans are afraid that if Lotito leaves then there will be no one to take over. My answer: Lotito won´t just let Lazio go. He has invested time and money and he will want that money back. As I see it this is Lotitos last mission - to sell Lazio to a responsible owner.

Oh well I´m going to continue to post these kinds of messages on the board. It is of course your prerogative to ban me from the board but I don´t think you will since my posts are neither derogatory nor stupid.

As Always - Forza Lazio!!

Caxi and Ermetico said it best. At the start i also wasn't very keen on Lotito, but the last two years he proved to me that he is a very capable businessman that manages to bulid a team with much less resources than other big clubs.

If these players think that they are bigger than Lazio, than - goodbye and good luck. Centro mentiones names like Behrami and Sabatini, but i don't think that they had much of a success last year, nor Goran, Ledesma, Rossi and LDS will, wherever they go. I wish them the best, but after they leave Lazio, they are just like any other opponent. And they are using this situation with art.17 to play hard with Lotito and Lazio and that is something i really don't like.

FORZA LAZIO AND ONLY LAZIO!

Show me official offers from bigger clus than Lazio. Pandev and Ledesma can leave...i dont care...And Lichtsteiner is far better than Lollo...just suht up and try more to gain respect from fans and from the club.

No one is perfect , neither Lotito nor the players....

I completely agree with Centrocampista...

The point is just that there is no reason to be surprised. Lotito´s working methods are an embarrasment to the club as a whole, but endless discussions about him and those mentioned working methods are nonsense. He is here to stay and he won´t change. So my advice to you is to support the maglia, the symbol, the colours. La Lazio. Nothing else...

It´s actually that simple

Sgt. Pepper wrote:

I completely agree with Centrocampista...

The point is just that there is no reason to be surprised. Lotito´s working methods are an embarrasment to the club as a whole, but endless discussions about him and those mentioned working methods are nonsense. He is here to stay and he won´t change. So my advice to you is to support the maglia, the symbol, the colours. La Lazio. Nothing else...

It´s actually that simple

I´m stunned

I actually had to read your post 3 times sgt

Hugs and lots of love man!!

And of course Forza Lazio!!

Centrocampista, in your last posts I think you judged Lotito a little to harsh, and when it comes to some subjects I don't agree with you.

But when it comes to this, the contract situation, I completely do. I think Lotito since the beginning has used the wrong strategy, and it's starting to backfire now. I don't blame any of the three players for wanting to leave. Each one of them have their reasons.

When you renew with players like Bonetto, Stendardo, Manfredini, Firmani and Siviglia (even if I thought the last two deserved extensions) and sign long deals with new players (Scaloni, Belleri, Del Nero etc) you pretty much destroy the chances of offering the key players new contracts. I fail to see how it would have been a problem to renew with both Ledesma and Pandev if those players weren't offered such long deals.

So instead of securing our key players, and build around them, we have 40 players going to summer camp.

Also, you have to wonder how it's possible to give Rocchi a great deal and then talk about contract obligations when it comes to Pandev and Ledesma.

i support centrocampista...

the next year, this time we gonna talk the same story but the name will be Mauro Zarate...

thats the things that all of us are afraid,this year start with the great things:mauro-foggia deals,but after all this year we are afraid that in the end of the seasson it gonna be the same story(i hope it s not,but the anger and fear it s part of everyone of us),i agree that no one of us understand the economy of footbal(modern),but it s interesting that the teams wich spends also wins(in everyway,not only economic),if we look to the schedule of the richies teams in the world we will see that they are also sucseful,sealing the best players in the name of economic prophits it s something that i can not understand and not agree,the big players makes that the stadium is full(one simple thing),the shirts of that player will be selling(like an example-real by becham,and after short time they was in zero-maybe its hiperbolic example..),in other hand i agree that until we dont have better we can talking day and night but nothings gonna change the situation.

centrocampista wrote:

Why is it Udinese with their resources can manage such a great transferbalance? Because they have knowledge of football.

That's too nice from you to come up with such a nonsense example. So Udinese is able to keep it's best players, play for titles and always qualifies for Europe? Maybe I didn't follow it correctly but I think they got exactly ZERO TITOLI, always sell their stars (started with Bierhoff, Amoroso and so on back in the 90s and continues till now with Quagliarella being the latest one) and once made it to the CL. Well, now that's great...

Maybe some of you should just wake up and be happy what we can do with what we have and under the current circumstances. Seems like some of you just care too much about players, coaches or presidents. Shut up and support the club for god's sake!

centrocampista wrote:

Dear Ermetico!

Why is it Udinese with their resources can manage such a great transferbalance? Because they have knowledge of football.

Lotito is /was a Laziofan but first of all he has a huge ego. His ultimate dream, like all egomaniacs, is to get attention and he loves nothing more then to stand in the middle of a sea of reporters and talk about Lazio or shake the hand of Galliani, Berlusconi etc. However then man is qualified to run a business as huge as Lazio - not today not in a million years. Italy is a complicated country to do business in and when Cragnottis ship was sinking there where no domestic or foreign businessmen with capital to salvage it. Lotito went for a longshot and it paid of. He got the taxplan and could buy Lazio at a discount price (I belive it was less than <30mil euros for the entire package and a paymentplan over 25years for the taxdebt).

The situation today is: Behrami left, Ledesma wants to leave, Pandev wants to leave, LDS wants to leave ... who is left??

Now case by case:

1. Behrami - excellent fullback, young, great first season - problemarea = he could leave as a art17 >>> solution = renew his contract after the first year would void art17 and who knows maybe we would have gotten x2 the money.

2. Pandev - for the last 2 years Lotito had a chance to extend Gorans contract but he opted not to because he knew that if he extended 1year later then the salary cost would be less for that year. Now Goran will be free to go wherever he wants to in 1 year and Lazio will get nothing. Lotito is upset and screams to the media that it´s unethical for agents /players etc to talk to other clubs but for godssake how naive can you get?? Had Lotito offered Goran 3 - 4 x his current salary a year ago then we wouldn´t have had this problem and Lazio wouldn´t risk losing the player for free.

3. Ledesma - it´s a copy of what happens to Goran.

4. LDS ... well I really don´t care but it´s a powerful indication of the state of the club when a symbol like LDS screams that he wants to leave his hometown club. LDS is a smart, young man and I´ll take his word over Lotitos 24/7.

5. Rossi ... oh my god. The man who gave us a coppa titel and a CL-place and for this he gets treated like an animal by Lotito. You could smell the satisfaction when Rossi opted to go without a job rather then work under Lotito. Grande Rossi.

6. The CL. When we qualified for the CL it was a golden moment to invest. There has never been a better time (since Lotito took over) to attract players to Lazio and Lotito used it to buy Del Nero - amazing stuff.

7. Walter Sabatini - then man, the myth and now he´s at Palermo .... yet another person who would rather work for Zamparini in the middle of Maffialand then with Lotito in the capital of europe.

Do you really want me to make the list longer?

I can recognize 2 basic problems: 1. The fear of change and 2 Lotito. Laziofans are afraid that if Lotito leaves then there will be no one to take over. My answer: Lotito won´t just let Lazio go. He has invested time and money and he will want that money back. As I see it this is Lotitos last mission - to sell Lazio to a responsible owner.

Oh well I´m going to continue to post these kinds of messages on the board. It is of course your prerogative to ban me from the board but I don´t think you will since my posts are neither derogatory nor stupid.

As Always - Forza Lazio!!

It's getting a bit annoying really. You could always find a scapegoat but this is really getting too far.

Case by case

Behrami: solution = epic fail. So there goes the opening and ALL players demand new contract season after season, pay rise over pay rise. Where's the $? You paying it? and your view is based on what you know now, when he's bought you dunno much about what happens afterward isn't it? You're a fortune teller? maybemaybemaybemaybe lol

Pandev: Agreed that Lotito acted too late, and agreed Lotito's big mouth's going too far. But then, the agent said in the end Pandev is satisfied by the offer economically, just that he dreams to play for a bigger team. Is this another Lotito'sfault? Wake up and see for yourself. And agin like behrami, we're a financially unstable club with debts to pay you propose giving them salary rise year after year? Hahahahahahahahahaha

Ledesma: Same as pandev, just that the agent's worse lol

LDS: Even if he knows he is a symbol if he don't have first team chance he will want to go. He's 21 (hopefully I'm correct), and he needs to play. Not quite Lotito's fault of brining in a better player in the name of lichteiner. Or is it? @@ Maybe, just maybe as you like to say, if Behrami stays then he'll play first team and LDS will get angry anyways LOL

Rossi: It's time for him to go, though the treatment is not right. Getting you some height is no explanation of this season's Serie A failure, as we've seen there are lots more he can improve with. It's time to change

The CL: Agreed we could have used some better investment, but then, should we go for big investment just because of one year's CL? I know you might say MAYBE we can go in again with big investment! but then that is MAYBE again. What if we failed? We get heavier debt and will sell players again and you'll act crybaby anyway lol. We got the CL with a bit of luck, we enjoyed the experience but we have to be clear we are a club with huge debts and still feeling the pain. yeh? OH now we got europa! Time to go for big signings? lol

Sabatini: I don't see any relevance for where he works and Lotito. Honestly where's your point? He decides to leave. Take that fact like a man k?

Let's just say Lotito is a controversial man. Like you said there is a lot of errors he made, but there are correct decisions. No man is perfect so bear with it. It's not like we have fioranelli abramovic arab investors..... following us. While Roma have RUMOURS of take-over, we dont even have rumours. Again, take it like a man.

I am neutral against Lotito, after all one can't comment whether he did good more than bad to the club or vice versa, but the fact remains, that the team I support is S.S. Lazio, no matter who's in charge. Acting like a crybaby doesn't help.

EDIT: oh did you talk about Udinese? Please don't make me laugh. Another side I would at the same time feel sad and feel happy about is udinese. They have the insight to bring in less-known players cheaply but then needs to sell them as they all cry to leave, not too much of financial reason. If you're a Udine, do you shout for the president to go? Think. They're actually similar to us, with better players and harsher luck.

Centrocampista, go have a beer or something, enjoy the summer. We all know you don't like Lotito, you have said several times that you would stop posting on this forum, that you would go away (to then come back the next day) - so I'm afraid you're only making a fool of yourself. Once again.

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That's too nice from you to come up with such a nonsense example. So Udinese is able to keep it's best players, play for titles and always qualifies for Europe? Maybe I didn't follow it correctly but I think they got exactly ZERO TITOLI, always sell their stars (started with Bierhoff, Amoroso and so on back in the 90s and continues till now with Quagliarella being the latest one) and once made it to the CL. Well, now that's great...

Maybe some of you should just wake up and be happy what we can do with what we have and under the current circumstances. Seems like some of you just care too much about players, coaches or presidents. Shut up and support the club for god's sake!

Well said il capitano!