Claudio Lotito

Good post Weni, let's hope they get some playing time.

El Weninho wrote:

Just a short add to a good discussion.

I already said that I agree with the fact that no one who doesn't feel honored to play should do. There are a few exceptions of course, but in general I agree.

This is however a special situation for many reasons.

1. Ledesma and Pandev have not been able to show if they are motivated or not. Because they never even came close to play (even if Ledesma was injured). So I agree with you that they at least should get a couple of games.

2. Ledesma and Pandev have been treated very bad by Lotito, despite their contribution.

3. I think they are more unhappy in this situation then they would on the pitch. I think it riskt the team morale more having a group of players not even allowed to practice with their team-mates. Team morale is build in the dressing room and outside the pitch.

4. I personally don't think Ledesma and Pandev would be unmotivated. I think they played long enough for those lovely colors to learn to respect them and the supporters.

5. Lazio is losing a lot money having them outside the squad.

6. They are two of our best players.

Yes El Weni.,

These situations imply me. That any interest that Lazio is not in the best attacking players, they let us flee first 6-7 rounds. And then a solution will appear, just remember last season when we first 6 round took first place at the table and where we end up in the UEFA Cup. And now this pace until the year?
If changes need to pretend it is now, I can not believe what allows Lotito.

Caxi wrote:

There have been suggestions that some players don't want them back in the squad and it is fairly obvious why that might be the case.

General consensus I've found is that most fans want Ledesma back and not Pandev; which just goes to show how complex a scenario this is that has been created.

Yesterday Lichsteiner gave a short interview where he said that Pandev and Ledesma are being missed a lot and they would help the team.
Matuzalem had said the same before.

No other Lazio players expressed an opinion on that, following the rules laid down by lotito (the only one who can talk). And the same lotito today harshly criticized Lichsteiner for having said that Pandev and Ledesma are missed.

Yesterday( Sunday match with Palermo) after match in the ViP section a fan shout to Lotito all his anger launching his season card. They came up face to face and Lotito ask the police to stop him and get all info about him.

Another point for this great atmosphere around la Lazio.
Really sad.

Ermetico wrote:

Yesterday( Sunday match with Palermo) after match in the ViP section a fan shout to Lotito all his anger launching his season card. They came up face to face and Lotito ask the police to stop him and get all info about him.

Another point for this great atmosphere around la Lazio.
Really sad.

you can find the argument Paolo refers to in this clip, right after the Lazio match highlights

http://www.romauno.tv/videonews.aspx?ln=it&id=36&vn=5770


PS lotito omnipotency delirium is getting worrying. Now he even asks police to identify people who (pay to) assist to a football match and complain about the result (he only said "gives us Lazio back"). Anyway, after hearing lotito saying "winning a scudetto only makes things worse, we aim to other trophies", I am not surprised anymore.

And the Lotito madness continues...

Vattene!

Conn wrote:

Anyway, after hearing lotito saying "winning a scudetto only makes things worse, we aim to other trophies", I am not surprised anymore.

Is this quote true?

I think he said - "winning the scudetto only does damage". And then Balla comes out and says "in 3 years we can win the Scudetto".

Lazio management are on a fast track to failure.

He said it in reply to Mourinho's boasts, I don't think it should be taken seriously whatsoever. It was a throwaway dig.

Kris wrote:

Conn wrote:

Anyway, after hearing lotito saying "winning a scudetto only makes things worse, we aim to other trophies", I am not surprised anymore.

Is this quote true?

The interview was on gazzetta dello sport some time ago. Here are some quotes.

http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2009/09/11/1493888/lotito-la-mia-lazio-è-un-modello-e-presto-avremo-lo-stadio

journalist: "you need to invest money to win the scudetto"
lotito: "I won two trophies, just with ideas and no money, and I defeated Inter"
journalist: "but winning a scudetto is different"
lotito: "winning a scudetto only leads to problems. Lazio prefers other trophies. Last year we wanted Coppa Italia and we won it".
journalist: "so Lazio will never aim at scudetto?"
lotito: "one day we'll get there. In the meantime, I won the balance sheet scudetto. With the new stadium we'll have more revenues, but I'll never pay 10 millions wage"

_____

I don't see why we should not take this seriously. After all, that's what he's been doing: no investments. And once again he never fails to put pressure about the stadium, as if it is the only mean for us to win something greater than a coppa italia in the future.

But I am not surprised... we have been warning fans about lotito for years.

After the match with Palermo, a journalist asked him: "what about Manfredini and Bonetto, why they are kept out of the team?" lotito ironically replied with a question, meaning they are two c.rap players who can give nothing to the club. I think it's the first time I hear a president talking so harshly in public about his players, players that he should actually try to sell.

Conn wrote:

lotito: "one day we'll get there. .

One thing is for cetain, with the way he's buying players we can expect to have eleven quality players by year 2020. One a year. Of course by that time Zarate will be 33 years old and Muslera 34.

I take comfort in little things when reading between the lines, at least we're not like merda always proclaiming themselves as scudetto or CL contenders and then "zero titoli".

El Weninho wrote:

Just a short add to a good discussion.

I already said that I agree with the fact that no one who doesn't feel honored to play should do. There are a few exceptions of course, but in general I agree.

This is however a special situation for many reasons.

1. Ledesma and Pandev have not been able to show if they are motivated or not. Because they never even came close to play (even if Ledesma was injured). So I agree with you that they at least should get a couple of games.

2. Ledesma and Pandev have been treated very bad by Lotito, despite their contribution.

3. I think they are more unhappy in this situation then they would on the pitch. I think it riskt the team morale more having a group of players not even allowed to practice with their team-mates. Team morale is build in the dressing room and outside the pitch.

4. I personally don't think Ledesma and Pandev would be unmotivated. I think they played long enough for those lovely colors to learn to respect them and the supporters.

5. Lazio is losing a lot money having them outside the squad.

6. They are two of our best players.

You have perfectly summurize the situation to be honest. The sad thing is, when you try to fix one side, another side would break down. To make everything better doesnt seem so possible. But at least something has to be tried.

No body can deny contribution of both. Honestly, I am not big fan of Ledesma, but coz we couldnt bring someone better than him or at least same level player during summer, we need him again now. We all know what he can do when he is motivated. Coz he is capable of doing magic.

The most annoying thing for me is, after every bad performance or lose or tie, I am sick of hearing such sentences " No Pandev no Ledesma, no hope no win ". That's not all about that. Ok, after seeing our situation, of course I miss Ledesma but while we are smelling as in defence menatality, there are other problems with this squad. But in the end, they are under control of Lotito on a large scale

It took you all a while to come around to my way of thinking

Forza Lazio!!

@ centro

seems like Lotito hasn't sold Rozehnal and De Silvestri to cover the Zarate transfer, he took an advance on the Sky contract and paid the transfer fee.
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/lazio/?action=read&idnotizia=7584
if I understood correctly.

I still think selling DS was the best option for him (although he isn't gettin much playing ttime there either) and Rozehnal hasn't impressed me personally all that much.

Sile wrote:

seems like Lotito hasn't sold Rozehnal and De Silvestri to cover the Zarate transfer, he took an advance on the Sky contract and paid the transfer fee.
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/lazio/?action=read&idnotizia=7584
if I understood correctly.

I still think selling DS was the best option for him (although he isn't gettin much playing ttime there either) and Rozehnal hasn't impressed me personally all that much.

If you add up all the money in - money out from last mercato, you see that Lazio had a negative cash flow of about 18 millions (Al Saad had to be paid cash), and lotito has never told people about where he got that money. Now we now, he discounted 20 millions revenues from Sky tv...

Had we got a Sponsor in the last 4 years, we could already have reached that amount without discounting future revenues. But as you all know lotito decided Lazio does not need a sponsor.

centrocampista wrote:

It took you all a while to come around to my way of thinking

There is nothing to be happy about, centrocampista. Remember that people like you, like myself and some other (not many, likely) member here should still f*ck off and support another club:

Gianni Calcio wrote:

Everyone who bashes Lotito, should recall that Lazio was almost on the brink of oblivion not too long ago. He has done a fine Job with what he has making this club profitable again! He might need a lesson in treating people better but he's a business man so I think thats all he knows.

To you and whomever supports your claim to start a FUCK YOU Lottito thread. Really should fuck off and support another club... or dream that Ernesto Bertarelli has a change in heart!

That comment was uncalled for! Lazio need players who will honour our shirt b/c players come and go...
Fans that have that harsh of an opinion when we won 2 trophies this year should fuck off! What more do you want? Do you want to sit with Lotito and tell him what to say to be politically correct???

Forza Lotito!

Bobbi wrote:

Brilliantly said Gianni. Couldn't agree more!

Lotito may not treat people as well as we would like him too but give the guy a lot of credit for saving us from demotion to the lower leagues. He has managed to control the club's finances and along with that has brought in young, talented players. Who would have thought a player like Zarate would be playing at Lazio right now? Within a few years he and Rossi gave Lazio UCL football, a Coppa Italia and now a Suppercoppa Italiana with Ballardini. I respect the man.

Forza Lotito!

FORZA LAZIO!!!!!

Moreover, we should also make an effort and be a little bit open-minded:

razio wrote:

We're quite famous as being zero-money isn't it? If Lotito doesn't know football at all I doubt he can bring in the number of players which flourished now. Although I would agree with you the arrogance is a bit too much, the decline in business with us can't be all attributed to him. Be fair, you could always blame everything on him but you should be a little bit open-minded.

[I'll exploit the fact that i am at home sick to update the famous quotes list ]

Conn you are one funny f'ck

I like you!!!

Why are Gianni and Bobbi not allowed a different opinion? Even if theirs has changed, nothing is ever set in stone. I don't understand why you dug up those quotes...

Giolazio wrote:

Why are Gianni and Bobbi not allowed a different opinion? Even if theirs has changed, nothing is ever set in stone. I don't understand why you dug up those quotes...

As first thing, why am I being questioned about the reason of my post by you? If any, I would have expected a reply from gianni, bobbi or razio.

As second thing, did I ever repress them from voicing their opinion? Did I ever say that people are not allowed to change opinion?

I don't care if theirs have changed or not.

A few of us have been saying for ages what many people come to understand only now. If I should dig all the quotes of all the discussion with people happy about lotito because of a CL qualification and 2 (lucky) trophies, out of 5 years of mediocrity, I would fill pages, not just one post. Most of the times, however, the opinions of us "narrow minded anti-lotito" visionaries were respected.

Some others no... and it happens I didn't forget those.

Hope you are happy with the explanation.

Ok, I want to share my thoughts here...

First of all, I'm not here to criticize Lotito nor defend him.

Like him or not, by legal or ilegal ways, he is controlling Lazio's management. That's a fact.
It changed a lot of things, some bad, some good... Anyway, each one can judge it their way.
But ONE thing didn't change and won't ever change: La Lazio is still there, alive. We are the first club of Rome. We are the ones who proudly carry the Eagle in our badge. This is the same for all of us!

I think discussing our situation now isn't bad, although it shouldn't lead us to verbal fights. It should lead us to ways of solving our problems.

That's why I always keep what Paolo says in mind and will quote here:

Quote :

Don't ask what SS Lazio can do for you.
but what YOU can do for la SS Lazio!

Thiago, I completely share your view... only you chose the only thread with no verbal fight to express it

Anyway, FORZA LAZIO and may the Lazio Big Star look after us once again....

Thiago wrote:

Ok, I want to share my thoughts here...

First of all, I'm not here to criticize Lotito nor defend him.

Like him or not, by legal or ilegal ways, he is controlling Lazio's management. That's a fact.
It changed a lot of things, some bad, some good... Anyway, each one can judge it their way.
But ONE thing didn't change and won't ever change: La Lazio is still there, alive. We are the first club of Rome. We are the ones who proudly carry the Eagle in our badge. This is the same for all of us!

I think discussing our situation now isn't bad, although it shouldn't lead us to verbal fights. It should lead us to ways of solving our problems.

That's why I always keep what Paolo says in mind and will quote here:

Quote :

Don't ask what SS Lazio can do for you.
but what YOU can do for la SS Lazio!

If you are not a part of the solution you are a part of the problem. Lotito is the problem and anyone not taking a stand against him is with him.

It´s as simple as that.

Thiago wrote:

But ONE thing didn't change and won't ever change: La Lazio is still there, alive. We are the first club of Rome. We are the ones who proudly carry the Eagle in our badge. This is the same for all of us!

Bravo Thiago. Sometimes I need to reed qoutes like that in these times.

Because I'm really tired with this situation. I'm tired having to discuss *topic title* after each game instead of La Lazio. I'm tired seeing the crack beetween the supporters grow for every season. I'm tired of lausy mercato's and excuses. I'm tired not beeing able to discuss our games with my close friends without mentioning *topic title*. I'm tired seeing my club so damaged and with so few hopes for the future. And tired with putting all my energy trying to recover from all dissappointment. I'm tired having to give up seasons 31 august and I'm tired seeing our image and history put in the second/third/fourth place.

But you said it, Thiago. I always have La Lazio. And La Lazio is always bigger, something else, two different things. And for La Lazio I will always be proud, no matter how much harm someone else does. I will never accept someone picking on what I love.

Cheers Conn!

lotito is a like a virus...r.The best thing anyone could do for Lazio would be to remove it.

But how does one go about removing it???.......


William i edit the word Cancer...