Serie A: BOLOGNA-LAZIO, Sunday, 19-10-08

Lotito:"Scudetto...." Shut upppppppppp!!!Rossi isn't a coach for Lazio's level.

What a bad match! Let's hope we never hear any scudetto talks again..............

Rocchi only thing positive, I hope we will play with Zarate-Pandev-Rocchi next match, we can beat Napoli then.

I knew Siviglia wouldn't be consistent the whole season! We should play Rozenhal with either Diakhte or Radu next match..

Hopefully this will stop all the cringe-worthy inteviews regarding our Scudetto credentials. You can't win anything if your defence is playing well only half of the games and when it's not playing well, it's playing not badly but appallingly. How about we try Radu as a CB, you know - his nominal position? It's stupid to play Cribari and Siviglia when your opponent relies on fast counter-attacks.
Credit to Bologna, they played really well and Di Vaio and Mudingayi were obviously more than keen to impress their former team and did it superbly. Rossi really shot himself in foot by subbing Zarate who was active, instead of Pandev who played in midweek and was obviously tired and ineffective. Also starting another unfit player in the face of Dabo was a bad mistake too. And whjy was Meghni not even on the bench? I am not saying we would necessarily have gotten anything even if we had used a better line-up as quite of our players seemed to be in vacation mood and to say that Bologna outran us would be quite an understatemnt but we certainly did not help our cause with these decisions. The good news was that Rocchi seemed ready to impress, even though his goal was lucky...and that's about it, really.

Matrim wrote:

Hopefully this will stop all the cringe-worthy inteviews regarding our Scudetto credentials. You can't win anything if your defence is playing well only half of the games and when it's not playing well, it's playing not badly but appallingly. How about we try Radu as a CB, you know - his nominal position? It's stupid to play Cribari and Siviglia when your opponent relies on fast counter-attacks.
Credit to Bologna, they played really well and Di Vaio and Mudingayi were obviously more than keen to impress their former team and did it superbly. Rossi really shot himself in foot by subbing Zarate who was active, instead of Pandev who played in midweek and was obviously tired and ineffective. Also starting another unfit player in the face of Dabo was a bad mistake too. And whjy was Meghni not even on the bench? I am not saying we would necessarily have gotten anything even if we had used a better line-up as quite of our players seemed to be in vacation mood and to say that Bologna outran us would be quite an understatemnt but we certainly did not help our cause with these decisions. The good news was that Rocchi seemed ready to impress, even though his goal was lucky...and that's about it, really.

Meghni wasn't in the squad. With this muscle problem of his, I doubt Delio wanted to take a risk.

Clearly Dabo seems a bit lost so I am keen to see who will take his place against Nap. After all, Mauri was very decent.

Siviglia needs to go. 3 mistakes today, Cribari did well given he had awful support. Need a change in the backline.

I agree with you Vent about the resemblance to last year. Lots of early fouls and yellows, giving away the ball and a lack of urgency. However we look at it, this was a game where we lost it and did not play well enough to come back. It was interesting that the defence seemed to cope with Di Vaio on a few break aways in the 2nd half but couldn't cope in the first half. It always seems to be a concentration thing.

I have some big questions for next game:
What is the most reliable defence that can play together?
How can we get a midfield to dominate a game and link with the attack?
Who will play out of our strikers? Tridente or 2 + Foggia?

I can see it being back to sqaure one with all this as, for example, if we bring in Rozenhal and next game he makes a mistake we can only return to Siviglia. It is the old problem of trying to improve but not having a definite tactic to utilise the players or a "best" starting line up. I mean, we all wanted a Rocchi, Pandev, Zarate attack at the start of the season when we couldn't, but now do we sacrifice Foggia to play that way? We were often negative about Mauri but maybe he has to play to stop the midfield being too far back and not linking to the forwards....

I don't have any definite answers, I just hope Rossi does.....

Matrim, Rocchi's goal wasn't just lucky.. need someone that can put himself in a good position and have a pace for that goal

Meghni out because he's injured.

Agree... Rocchi shouldn't in for zarate... but for pandev...

Cribari should only play if he plays beside someone like R. Carvalho, Siviglia was having a bad day, well he's old...the bad day for him on football will be a lot much more than his good day..just ask ballota or christian vieri for that matters...

Don't worry if we only want to get the uefa cup, this losing won't be that much matter, then why don't we concentrate on young players like diakite, tuia and especially radu and make them defensively solid by play them every week.. Siviglia won't get us anywhere...

well we lost ... Don't know why Rossi put Kolarov in if Radu is fit. this is the only thing that bothers me. Sivigla - Cribari? Well they played well against viola and the other games. Dabo? With Matuzalem out he was the only possibility so I'd say this was the best 11 we could field today cause Rossi was trying to keep the same squad that was playing good but it didn't work out very well. I'm honestly afraid of the napoli game...

terrible...we don't have any concentration...also Carrizo should save at least 1 goal, maby 2...Pandev was very tired after his international game...and we don't have world calss coach so...

What did Mauri do? Maybe a bit more than usual for him of late but close to nothing that led to chances except that header which he missed. He always makes one turn too many when he receives the ball, slownig the attack. Ledesma was strolling half of the time, yet he created more. But if Meghni was injured, Rossi did not really have a choice, true. Three strikers plus Foggia against a team which was killing us in midfiled would have been suicide.

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Matrim, Rocchi's goal wasn't just lucky.. need someone that can put himself in a good position and have a pace for that goal

Of course, I never said his goal was just luck. He added a new dimension to our game. Finally Ledesma had someone to search with his through balls and Rocchi also harasses defenders who possess the ball better than our other forwards.

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Cribari should only play if he plays beside someone like R. Carvalho, Siviglia was having a bad day, well he's old...the bad day for him on football will be a lot much more than his good day..just ask ballota or christian vieri for that matters...

Come on, he was good in previous games. Cribari, Rozehnal or Siviglia - any one of them has had quite a few horrendous games in the last year. The funny thing is that the one who has had the least - Radu who also happens to be the youngest and fastest, is left on the bench.

Anyway this is the most terrible match of this season.
We should have bought new defenders...

Ed wrote:

I agree with you Vent about the resemblance to last year. Lots of early fouls and yellows, giving away the ball and a lack of urgency. However we look at it, this was a game where we lost it and did not play well enough to come back. It was interesting that the defence seemed to cope with Di Vaio on a few break aways in the 2nd half but couldn't cope in the first half. It always seems to be a concentration thing.

I have some big questions for next game:
What is the most reliable defence that can play together?
How can we get a midfield to dominate a game and link with the attack?
Who will play out of our strikers? Tridente or 2 + Foggia?

I can see it being back to sqaure one with all this as, for example, if we bring in Rozenhal and next game he makes a mistake we can only return to Siviglia. It is the old problem of trying to improve but not having a definite tactic to utilise the players or a "best" starting line up. I mean, we all wanted a Rocchi, Pandev, Zarate attack at the start of the season when we couldn't, but now do we sacrifice Foggia to play that way? We were often negative about Mauri but maybe he has to play to stop the midfield being too far back and not linking to the forwards....

I don't have any definite answers, I just hope Rossi does.....

the problem with rossi is he's too easy to be read... he uses the same tactic every week... so the tactic just works only at the beginning of the season... and that's the answer why we always suffer in the first half... because rossi uses the same tactic like the previous week, and when he realizes that he made mistakes... he changes the tactic in the 2nd half...and it works well!! but the problem for today was we conceded to much when we enter the new tactic and formation.

Rossi should do his homework like every coach in serie a does, he should read the opponent's tactic and formation in a long long time before the game start, and not on the first half!! In my opinion, because our rosters are now a lot better than last season and we have so much in option, Rossi is too busy thinking about his own problem.. like for example who should play, foggia or rocchi, dabo or mauri etc... i don't think he thinking about how should we close Di Vaio's room, how should we fight with mudi in the midfield etc etc before we entering this game..

Yes, too often we show our best football only in the second half. Not just this season, last season we scored a first half goal in something like the eigth round. This season we seem vulnerable against teams who play rough football and as this is becoming more and more apparent, I reckon more and more teams will emulate Bologna. Our strategy needs to be more flexible and as said it seems it is flexible only in regards of subs substitutins and changing things arounnd in the middle of the game.

I feel bad for all laziali who went to the game for follow the Biancoceleste team. Our team, SS Lazio.

NON MOLLARE MAI!!!

Matrim wrote:

Yes, too often we show our best football only in the second half. Not just this season, last season we scored a first half goal in something like the eigth round. This season we seem vulnerable against teams who play rough football and as this is becoming more and more apparent, I reckon more and more teams will emulate Bologna. Our strategy needs to be more flexible and as said it seems it is flexible only in regards of subs substitutins and changing things arounnd in the middle of the game.

couldn't agree more... they (Lecce and Bologna) knew how to face us, with a rough football, and Milan was the inventor of that sneaky tactic against us.. well, couldn't blame them.. this is SERIE A.. and the referees weren't helping us too..
the one and only way is Rossi must outsmart them... we could try their dirty works as well, for example foggia and zarate could pretend to be hurt and injured when the rough opponent touch them so the opp can get a yellow or even red... well we need someone that could imitating zambrotta as well... pushing and pretend to be pushed... damn...i hate the dirty tactic..but if we want to survive, that's maybe the only way to do... i hope we find another better way though...

sorry to say it... but we have been too nice with our opponents lately.. brocchi is more like a playmaker than a breaker

Let us agree that we played well only after Bolonga 3rd goal until Rocchi's lucky goal came in! Other than that we were behind the tierd and old aged Bolongaa by years!

I thought Rossi will have enough courage to play with the trio Pa-Za-Ro after the break while Foggia will make his way out for Rocchi, yet Rocchi came in for Zarate while Pandev was clearly invisible and out of form kept on the field!? I think Rossi was not sure about the duo Ro-Za as it is their 1st offical game togather, but I think adding Rocchi alongside Za-Pa could change things around especially we don't any thing to lose! At the end of the day Rossi decision was proof to be wrong as the team was misrable in the 2nd half and Rocchi didnt add anything special other than that lucky goal we got!

The 1st Bolonga goal was impossible for even Buffon to save it, while the 2nd goal I think Carrizo was fault of it as he should do better than that, and the 3rd goal came form the usual suspect Mr. Cribari great clearance of the ball, Siviliga easily got passed and Carrizo throwing him self for nothing!! The 3rd goal really killed me.

I dont know why Rossi played with Brocchi on the left side of the midfield for the 1st time ever!!! And adding a too defensive midfield as we are playing against Milan in the San Siro! Adding to his misfortune Zarate substitution cost us dearly for any slim chances for a comeback as the team in the 2nd half was a copy of that team playing last season.

Well, we did win several free kicks in good positions today and Brocchi at least was playing rough, too. If Dabo was on top of his game we could have fought fire with fire but it was not to be. The crucial thing in these games is the opening goal. One of the good things about this season that whenever we have taken the lead we have emerged victorious. I think we need to be more patient and most importantly - not waste the opening fifteen, thirty or in some cases 45 minutes, trying to wake up as we are prone to do.

This match deserve a HUGE FLUSH!!!!!

I hope that they all will forget immediately what they did in the field and re start the engine for next match.

AGAIN WE ALSO MUST RE ORDER OUR WILLING THOUGHTS!!!

I'm really not happy with how we played this afternoon. Disappointing.
Pandev looked out of sorts (as he usually does when he returns from international duty). I agree with those who say that Rossi should have taken Pandev of the pitch and not Zarate, Pandev seemed exhausted.

Our defense was horrible, especially Siviglia. I know this doesn't sound nice but I hope he gets injured and Delio is forced to use Diakite or Radu. Maybe we get that Tonel fellow from Sportings. Hopefully.
With all the experience Dabo has I was sure that it wouldn't pose any problem for him to play even though he is not match fit. But it's not all his fault. Our three man midfield was again overrun.

And what's with Ledesma?! He never looks like he's in a rush. For him it's like taking a walk. He should have covered more space and stayed more focused and his passing was often not up to par.

The whole team didn't show much spirit or desire. The only two players who stood out for me today were Brocchi and Foggia. If Delio is intent on playing with three midfielders, then those midfielders have to give 100% and get those tackles in, stop attacks, make tactical fouls... and the only one capable of doing that is Brocchi. And Mutarelli who is out of the team. And Firmani who is always out injured.

Our offensive trident needs to help out. Zarate is still playing on his own. He needs to realize that he can't produce a wonder goal every Sunday. Pandev, Zarate and Foggia too often try and do everything by themselves instead of trying to pass the ball faster.

It was great to see Rocchi back in the team. I'm very happy for him. Tommaso demonstrated very good positioning and sense for goal. We need a player like him, a player who doesn't try and pass seven players before shooting or passing.

The best player on the pitch today was Gaby Mudingayi but unfortunately he plays for Bologna these days. He was always there to help out in defense, he rarely lost possession and was often playing as the regista giving out quality balls and did you see the confidence with which he played?! Remarkable!

the only words i can com up with is

what a load of smelling as!

Im actually more annoyed of the fickleness of us here, why is Rossi always the one to be blamed. Its been a fantastic start to the campaign 1 point off the top yet he needs to be sacked, I dont know about you but I am all for Rossi and still living off the wonderful win against Fiorentina

I see this game as a very important wake up call. For Delio and for all of us. Delio needs to sort this team up. Those who want to play and others who dont.

Everyone is disgusted with Ledesma's attitude, it seems he already made the desicion to leave, it seems like history is repeating itself.. the same way Stankovic was playing before he left. We're like playing with 10 men with him. So why dont we start someone else.. he cant be worse.

The defence has been our achilles heel this year. It doesnt get worse than this.. I think we've the most team that conceded this year, can it get worse? Don't think so.. why dont we give Radu and Diakite a chance we don't have anything to loose.

For all of us laziali and all Lazio's employees... the scudetto talk is..... bull trap. It's not helping our team while the way we fall apart during games makes me feel there are still some dressing room issues.

Lazio don't will be never a big team until Rossi will be our coach, he wrong always in the same things:
1)Siviglia-Cribari are simply ridicolous players, Why don't put Diakitè that when he has played was very good instead of Siviglia that have 36 years old? or Why don't put Radu that all people know that he is better than Siviglia and Cribari? and Rozehnal? he is worst than them?
2) why put foggia on the right that he is left and always he can't cross if don't come back at kick with left?
3) why Zarate that until the match against Torino have scored much after Rossi have put him near the lateral line and no as before at centre of attack?
3) Carrizo if isn't in a good form ...why put him? ( every shot its a goal )

Sturges wrote:

Im actually more annoyed of the fickleness of us here, why is Rossi always the one to be blamed. Its been a fantastic start to the campaign 1 point off the top yet he needs to be sacked, I dont know about you but I am all for Rossi and still living off the wonderful win against Fiorentina

Because it's easier to blame one man than face the reality that we don't have players who can perform superbly on a regular basis. Short memory helps too. Or the idea that a coach is either flawless or deserves to be fired.

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Everyone is disgusted with Ledesma's attitude, it seems he already made the desicion to leave, it seems like history is repeating itself.. the same way Stankovic was playing before he left. We're like playing with 10 men with him. So why dont we start someone else.. he cant be worse.

He made an assist. Yes, he was lazy but that's better than playing with ten men, IMO.

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It was great to see Rocchi back in the team. I'm very happy for him. Tommaso demonstrated very good positioning and sense for goal. We need a player like him, a player who doesn't try and pass seven players before shooting or passing.

True that.

Matrim wrote:

Sturges wrote:

Im actually more annoyed of the fickleness of us here, why is Rossi always the one to be blamed. Its been a fantastic start to the campaign 1 point off the top yet he needs to be sacked, I dont know about you but I am all for Rossi and still living off the wonderful win against Fiorentina

Because it's easier to blame one man than face the reality that we don't have players who can perform superbly on a regular basis. Short memory helps too. Or the idea that a coach is either flawless or deserves to be fired.

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Everyone is disgusted with Ledesma's attitude, it seems he already made the desicion to leave, it seems like history is repeating itself.. the same way Stankovic was playing before he left. We're like playing with 10 men with him. So why dont we start someone else.. he cant be worse.

He made an assist. Yes, he was lazy but that's better than playing with ten men, IMO.

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It was great to see Rocchi back in the team. I'm very happy for him. Tommaso demonstrated very good positioning and sense for goal. We need a player like him, a player who doesn't try and pass seven players before shooting or passing.

True that.

I know that maybe I made it look worse than it is but I hate seeing us dependent on a guy who's just lazy, waking around the field with the armband, rarely seeing him running, it looks awful. I just want Delio to try something different, stop making the the formation around Ledesma, start doing it around guys who deserve it.