Serie A: LAZIO-SIENA, Sunday, 9-11--08

Anelka, Fabregas, Walcott... ??

Don´t worry Caxi, if Diakitè had nearly that kind of talent, he would be playing every Sunday...

The point is that our defence has not worked out very well for a long time. Last season, it went from bad to worse and this season we saw an improvement, but the defence still cost us points and at times they still look like they did last season. Let´s say they are very inconsistent in their performances.

Now from Rossi´s point of view, I think there is more reasoning behind trying to find the right formula rather than throwing in a totally unproven youngster, who was actually never even regarded as anything special. A central defensive pairing needs consistency, they need certain automatisms to work out. I think it makes a lot of sense to work on these things between the players we can be 99% sure are the best defenders we have, rather than try out any experimental solutions right now.

We are not exactly Man Utd, Barcelona or Arsenal (Thank God for that !!!). They are sure to dominate most of their games, and even if they field a few youngsters, they still have enough quality to decide the games. Not to mention that it´s much easier for a youngster to walk into a side that plays extraordinary football, than into this Lazio defence that is not even working very well. Difference: If Diakité played, there would be a great deal pressure on him to perform right away or it would cost us dearly. It´s not exactly the same with Busquets at Barcelona..

Diakitè has been with us for more than 2 years now and as far as I remember he played only two games against Fiorentina and Udinese. Rossi watches him every day in training. Ok he had a long term injury, but it´s hardly the new Nesta who we have running around the ranks.

The thing is. Whenever something is not working, the forum is floading over with posts about Mendicino, Tuia, Kozak, Diakité etc. etc. To develop a youngster is not only to put him in the team. There needs to be the right circumstances, not to mention the player has to be good enough.

Sgt. Pepper wrote:

Anelka, Fabregas, Walcott... ??

Don´t worry Caxi, if Diakitè had nearly that kind of talent, he would be playing every Sunday...

The point is that our defence has not worked out very well for a long time. Last season, it went from bad to worse and this season we saw an improvement, but the defence still cost us points and at times they still look like they did last season. Let´s say they are very inconsistent in their performances.

Now from Rossi´s point of view, I think there is more reasoning behind trying to find the right formula rather than throwing in a totally unproven youngster, who was actually never even regarded as anything special. A central defensive pairing needs consistency, they need certain automatisms to work out. I think it makes a lot of sense to work on these things between the players we can be 99% sure are the best defenders we have, rather than try out any experimental solutions right now.

We are not exactly Man Utd, Barcelona or Arsenal (Thank God for that !!!). They are sure to dominate most of their games, and even if they field a few youngsters, they still have enough quality to decide the games. Not to mention that it´s much easier for a youngster to walk into a side that plays extraordinary football, than into this Lazio defence that is not even working very well. Difference: If Diakité played, there would be a great deal pressure on him to perform right away or it would cost us dearly. It´s not exactly the same with Busquets at Barcelona..

Diakitè has been with us for more than 2 years now and as far as I remember he played only two games against Fiorentina and Udinese. Rossi watches him every day in training. Ok he had a long term injury, but it´s hardly the new Nesta who we have running around the ranks.

The thing is. Whenever something is not working, the forum is floading over with posts about Mendicino, Tuia, Kozak, Diakité etc. etc. To develop a youngster is not only to put him in the team. There needs to be the right circumstances, not to mention the player has to be good enough.

all valid points but I think my grievance is it is no longer good enough to say "play them in the Coppa" becuase we have had to play 3 teams. Benevento (before the season began), Atalanta (tough team) and soon, Milan (almost impossible task with best eleven)

my point is, at home to Siena is a lot easier than away to Milan (I think) in a cup tie that, if we lose, we are out. he has to be given a chance at some point.

that is all.

I think if we had been smart, Diakité would have played today. For Siena not Lazio !!!

The point is that Diakité has a snowballs chance in hell to play regularly for a big club like Lazio over the course of a season. Maybe a Coppa game now and then, who knows if he might also get a game in Serie A a few times, but would that really make much of a difference ?? I don´t think so... So what if we play him against Milan in the Coppa, it´s one game which hardly makes much of a difference. Also Diakité needs consistency not one or two games.

Obviously he is a perfect example of a player who should have been loaned out, like Juventus, Inter and Milan have practised for seasons having tens of youngsters loaned out to smaller clubs in Serie A and Serie B.

Diakité has prooved that he is worth taking a chance on for a smaller club. A chance that could turn out perfectly or be a waste of money. Lazio is too big a club to take such risks...

Oh btw.. this week we play Milan, right ? I forgot about it... but i have a question: it`s 2 games or just 1 ?

Kurama_SSLazio wrote:

Oh btw.. this week we play Milan, right ? I forgot about it... but i have a question: it`s 2 games or just 1 ?

Lazio will play Milan on Dec 3...

As for the Siena game we played ok even though the result says otherwise!
Maurito is FANTASTIC! What a free kick it was a perfect shot and he created our other goals GRANDE ZARATE!

Great result...Maybe the first half Zarate was invisible but in 2nd he show that in near future he will be world class player...What a extraordinary freekick
p.s I can't wait to see his performance against Roma

I haven't read every single word in this thread, cause its too much but I've noticed the Diakite' debate, and while I thought starting him wouldn't be too bad of an idea, I can fully understand why Delio didn't. He knows more about the squad than we do after all.

but my suggestion, why not loan Diakite' to a smaller club to pick up experience and then if he impresses, take him back, if not we can sell him to a Serie B club.

Ive been rading carefully this thread and i worried Sgt Pepper's about not playing so good.
I was ill yesterday and had to watch Inter game in RAI to wait Lazio's goal, so I saw them all, fantatics, and the highlights I saw in an argentinian channel, were just talked abt Maurito, beside Ledesma, the rest f the team doesnt exist.
How do you see the team in front of the derby guys?

On The Diakite issue I think Rossi just doesn't want to risk putting an unexp defender having in mind out shaky defense this season and the last season. Probably he just wants to form a starting pair to rely on till the rest of the season. And for now as we all see it Sivigla - Rozenahl.

@Mafalda : I also didn't watch the game but from the highlights te result might have been 0:3 on HT cause I didn't see a Lazio attack for the 1 half and on the other side some very very good chances for Siena including a Macarone header from 2 meters maybe going just wide and a Carrizo superb save on a volley

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He fielded Zaraté right from the start and he uses Lichsteiner instead of De Silvestri who is better in the defence.

No, he isn't better defensively (yet), IMO. And even if I am wrong, De Silvestri loves to take part in our attacks just as much as Lichtsteiner, if not more.

Other than that, well put as usual.

When watching the game yesterday I (like others before) must say we where a bit lucky with the result it could have been 1-1 just before Rocchis first goal. But our 3points are worth exactly as much as if we had played great all match to win. Great that Zarate scored again so he can come to the Derby in good condition and hopefully score the two goals he promised us he would score:D

I agree Diakite deserves a chance, but it would be better for him to play in a Coppa game. Siviglia and Rozenhal still haven't played together that long. Alot of people complained about Rozenhal in the start of the season but he have been good for us so far. Siviglia is also much better then last season. I totally think we need a new defender in january but not just buy the first guy we find. We need a experienced defender with CL and NT experience.

Maybe Diakite is not that good but we need to give our young players more matches. Central defence together with GK is of course not the first place you put a 20 year old but we should try and field Mendicio/Kozak when we are up with many goals and let them play some games the last mins.

Conn wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/v/Mt5IEsF22hk&hl=en&fs=1

Oh my

Matrim wrote:

Er, Rocchi was not at all in danger of missing the derby through suspension. I think only Brocchi was in danger.

Don't forget Radu.

higlights of Lazio-Siena ..... with Guido the Screamingman


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KTJ9O32dzc

http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=958875

Seria A team of the week : we have Carrizo as a Gk, Lichti as RB and Zarate as Forward and also Tommy honourable mention so 4 guys in the team of the week :)

Roman_Eagle wrote:

http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=958875

Seria A team of the week : we have Carrizo as a Gk, Lichti as RB and Zarate as Forward and also Tommy honourable mention so 4 guys in the team of the week :)

wow!3 laziali in their 11 after one good half!all of them justified! forza ragazzi!

I must say the freekick was really nice, work of art!

Agent Orange wrote:

I must say the freekick was really nice, work of art!

Yeah reminds me of Mihajlovic freekicks

I was discussing with my friend wether Ledesma or kolarov was to take it...and then ZARATE steps forward...i wonder how prepared their goalie was for this to happen!? Extra sweet the goalie is merda... (i dont know if he is owned by Siena or not...doesnt make any difference to me )