Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3

ilsemprelaziale wrote:

Name one other club in the world who does something similar...keep two of their perhaps top 3 players in the squad out of the selection for the european cup?

It's standard procedure.

Take Everton as an example. David Moyes is hailed as a master on the market and he refused to sell Joleon Lescott to Man City (even though Joleon wanted to move). Very similar situation to Pandev and Ledesma except an offer was on the table for Joleon.

Moyes made the decision to play Joleon. They lost 6-1 at home. We decide not to unsettle the team by playing unsettled players and we win the Supercoppa, our Europa League tie and both our league games. Can nobody see that the correct decision just might have been made in leaving them out? Can nobody other than me see that?

I said, 3 months ago that the most we would fetch for Pandev was 6 million and I was laughed at by some people. Lotito, being a businessman rather than a football man probably understood that he needed to hype up his players to attract any bids. The truth is, Goran's decision to announce his decision when he did meant that he had no sale value whatsoever. It looks like Lotito tried to start a bidding war which is what you do in these scenarios but nobody wants Pandev.

Nobody wants to pay millions for a guy who scores 10-15 goals at a mid-table club. Goran is an idol to us, to Macedonia etc. but he's looking for a move he won't get; unless he is prepared to take good money to sit on a bench.

The Ledesma situation is different but Pandev's lawsuit appears to be stopping us from making a move on that.

And either way, it's a smart move to leave Ledesma and Pandev out of the Europa League squad; the only kind of team looking at these guys are Europa League teams and if they're cup tied, whatever chance we have of selling them (particularly Ledesma as he still has a contract worth buying) would diminish if they were cup-tied.

I would question how Lotito handled the contract situation and if he went too overboard with player treatment but the decision not to play these guys up to this point, is 100% correct in my opinion.

i can say short just this:

Lazio president lost pure profit of over 10-20mil for Pandev and Ledesma because of his bad attitude and ignorance about protecting their contract and ignorance about transfer market and not good valuetion of Lazio players...

also very bad youth policy!!!! ...what is the name of Lazio youth player who is playing in the senior first team squad?!? where is Macheda?!? what happen with Silvestri?!?.....

Lotito has said previously that he was angry that pandev announced that he wanted to leave... had pandev kept his mought shut, he would have been sold for sure... But because he sould keep his fat mouth shut, noone wanted to pay decent money for him cause he will be free next season... so he screwed lazio in that regard and he also screwed himself cause he will be sitting on the sidelines for a season...

And inter might buy him in january on the cheap... why would they pay alot for him now, when they can assess their squad over the first half of the season, and either decide they do not need to replace eto, or maybe decide they do and will try and get pandev really cheap (since he will be free in 6 months) or even decide to buy another cheap striker who is performing well etc etc...

I believe rozenhal also wanted to leave lazio, but he went about it in the 'right' way (according to lotito) in that he told him privately that he would like to go so in the end lazio sold him for a decent fee for a player of his standard...

In the end we got lucky with de silvestri that someone wanted to pay decent cash for him... otherwise he too would have been sitting on the sidelines...

I honestly don't know if it was the right decision to leave Pandev out of the Europa League list. And according to me that's not our biggest problem right now, as Lotito replaced him with Cruz.

What Lotito however failed badly was to manage to keep a player that wanted to sign a new contract. He offered a new lucrative deal to Rocchi, he renewed with players like Siviglia, Manfredini (with higher salarys then Pandev) and he signed players like Del Nero and Vignaroli on free transfer. During this time Pandev has been on of our best players, always playing for la maglia and delivered each time, even if Rossi sometimes was a bit hard on him. One could think he deserved a better contract with a higher salary.

He wasn't offered a contract and decided to leave. I don't like that either, but I can't say that I blame him. Lotito acted by setting a way to high price and constantly saying Lazio never put Pandev up for sale. Of course that won't attract interest from other clubs. Had he accepted the situation, and lowered his price, I'm pretty sure he could have got some money out of the deal instead of zero and not having a quality player ready to play football. I might of course be wrong, as I don't have the full picture of what's going on in his office.

The worst part is however excluding Ledesma from the list. Ledesma asked to leave, sure, and I would not protest if he was left out because of that. But how is the situation like now? No replacement has been bought, and instead Baronio is the man to play as a regista for Lazio. I have a lot of respect for Baronio, but that particular move from Lotito might have been one of the worst I ever saw from a club president. He did not have the time? To me it seems he had two years for renewing the contract with our most valuable players all categories.

I remember Udinese tryed something similar with Iaquinta some years ago, and it was actually quite appreciated. The problem is that we have three situations like this with players that were happy to play for us. It can't be a coincidence.

As "ilsemprelaziale" pointed out, I as well feel sorry for Ballardini. In addition to having a less competetive roster compared to last year, he also have a extra-large squad to take care of. Degré, Artipoli, Stendardo, Bonetto, Manfredini and Berni are still on Formello. I'm just thinking that the money from signing those players on free transfers and give them extra-long contracts maybe could have been used on renewing with Ledesma and Pandev instead...

i don't see lazio manage to compete in all 3 competitions this season with this bunch of players. we only got cribari, diakite, siviglia and radu who can play as CB as the season goes i believe injury and suspension will give a headache to ballardini to cover for that position. stendardo is okay for me but everyone knows he's not gonna play for us because of his problem with lotito.

until now midfield area seems very fragile with such average players like brocchi dabo baronio mauri meghni matuzalem. really hope some of them will be at their best at least not to be outclass by big team juve, inter, fiorentina n milan midfielder. maybe right now some of u might satisfied with baronio performance but honestly for me he is not better than other CM in smaller teams like sampdoria, parma, atalanta n others. i really looking forward to see foggia n elisue to be in starting 11 and play more regularly maybe in the home game where lazio will play more offensive.

Lotito said that he did not fail in any of its objectives in lazio mercato and it already has the resources to keep on going forward but maybe his word is based on the lazio result in 5 games until today. lazio win in supercopa but remember luck will not always be on our side. just look how inter dominates the game and lazio only stay in the match n win because of muslera was there to save us. we're better than elfsborg in the qualifying round but they are not in the same class with teams like villareal valencia everton celtic psv. for now i just wanna see lazio at least make it to the knockout stage. the first two matches againsts atalanta n chievo, lazio earn maximum points after two hard fought victory which not satisfied me as i rate them the to be on the bottom half of the table in serie a. i wondering is lazio will continue to win if we're playing with same performance when facing stronger team in the league.

honestly i rather see lazio played juventus or milan before the end of the transfer dateline and get trashed 3-1 or 4-1 than facing them later in the competition. if lazio lost 5-0 to juve next week its too late for us just to realised at that time how badly we miss a great CB or DM for at least 3-4 months until the next transfer market. lets say if we were already lost first two match then lotito must be out of his mind not to reinforce the squad and see lazio continue losing every weeks. maybe lotito willing to add 300k-500k to the cash we need to buy canini or get kuzmanovic for pandev or even d'agostino into our squad.

Sabatini has made some pretty revealing comments.

Basically, the deal for Simplicio broke down because a decision was made to keep Cribari. It seems a swap between those two was on the cards but presumably, we looked to sell Rozehnal instead of Cribari. Sabatini claims they asked for Radu because they realise Simplicio is a free agent next season and they wanted to get something for him at least. I suspect our failure to capture Bengtsson prevented us from selling Radu. I guess subsequent failures to sell Stendardo or land a defender also contributed in the failure to get Simplicio.

In other words, I feel the only reason Simplicio is not here now is because we made a series of poor errors. I remain convinced that we could see Simplicio in Rome early next year. I don't think we will turn him down at a cheap price and Radu's poor performances make him a suitable makeweight, if necessary.

Simplicio is over-rated...i prefer keeping Cribari and Radu...i still believe Cribari is our best defender and Radu has good potential, while Simplicio would not add much...we have Brocchi, Dabo, Baronio plus Ledesma on his spot...

Miranda refused to sign a contract extension, as is expected to come here in January.

That certainly puts us in the driving seat for Miranda's signature, but to often that means nothing.

Siviglia's deal will expire at the end of the season and wont be renewed.

Let's hope it won't

Trequartista wrote:

Let's hope it won't

Agreed!!

LaziOttimo wrote:

*************** Lotito !!!Get out from this club!

Welcome to the light side of the force :)

I hope Siviglia's contract is reconsidered and renewed. I agree I don't want him playing too often, but Sebastiano has experience and is a smart defender - although not the fastest. IMO he hasn't let Lazio down in many big matches either. I'd like to see his contract extended another season or so, so he helps youngsters coming through, like Faraoni and Tuia, mature and adapt.

Which other players contract expires at the end of the current season? I think Dabo and Baronio?

Jofo wrote:

centrocampista wrote:

Welcome to the light side of the force :)

http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2009/09/08/1487672/report-inter-lazio-ponder-marko-arnautovic-goran-pandev

How true do we think a swap deal between Arnatovic and Pandev is??

Why wouldn't Inter just wait until they can get Pandev for nothing?

Discuss..

We replace Pandev with... the new Pandev!! This deal really looks like the deal we got Pandev from.

Namortsac wrote:

We replace Pandev with... the new Pandev!! This deal really looks like the deal we got Pandev from.

that would be so typical of Inter. Take someone and play him a few times then let him rot on the bench while they give away a gem of a player! Would be too good if that deal went ahead!

We dont need Arnautovic though. We have plenty in attack and plenty of young forwards as well.

Can we not try and get one of their defenders, even Matrix or Cordoba or someone?? Or scrape together whatever pittance they will give us and put that towards signing someone of quality in an area we need (eg. centre of defence/centre of midfield).

Arnautovic wouldn't be for attack, he'd be for the right wing. Yes, he can play as a forward but I severely doubt that would be his role.

I just hope we get something, if little for pandev in january. Maybe since they reported juve is also now interested in pandev, that one of the two clubs will try and nab him in january rather then wait till summer cause the other team might snatch him up first... you never know.

And if Pandev and lotito weren't crybaby's fighting over the rights to the swing in the kiddie park, pandev would be on the team rite now, adding to our attack, so Arnautovic wouldn't be bad really, great player for future, maybe we would buy the other 50% of him for full ownership later down the line during next summer.

I also think like c.testa that we don´t need Arnautovic.
We have enough players for offensive playing. We need someone for the defence, better two players than one.

We're no longer in the driver's seat, that moment has passed. The leverage for negotating is gone, now we'll have to settle as best as we can. Arnautovic is good, for their first offer

Potentially having two clubs chase him is great, if we can play one off against the other we still might rescue something from this shambles.

Interesting proposal, if its true off course. Arnautovic is a classy player and would love to see him here, but I don't know how much Lazio really need him at the moment. Perhaps he could be used as a winger as Caxi pointed out?

I don't see Juventus offering anything better. Maybe Lotito can try get Materazzi if no central defender is brought here in January? Or maybe someone like Cordoba or Muntari who aren't playing much at Inter - but would be useful at Lazio.

Bottom line, I'd obviously rather get 50% of Arnautovic for Pandev than receive absolutely nothing, and I wouldn't oppose this move at all. My only concern is if he's brought in, and used as a winger - does that affect Foggia? Or if he's used as a striker - does that affect Rocchi and Cruz?