World Cup 2010 - Southamerican quali

Caxi wrote:

Taib wrote:

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Caxi wrote:

Àrgentina will be fine.

That team could qualify with Messi as player-coach. There's no need to panic.

Maradona won't be a good coach, we can all see that but Argentina will be in South Africa and with a half decent coach, they win it.

To:

Caxi wrote:

Argentina got exactly what they deserved tonight. They are a shambles and as of now, they don't deserve a spot in the World Cup and if they keep playing like this, they won't make it.

Someone needs to explain to me how 35 year-old, Martin Palermo and that kid from Lanus, Salvio can get in the squad ahead of Zarate. I would like to think there is no vendetta but that just doesn't make sense. For me, even Gago is a dubious selection never mind Brana and Datolo may of scored a wondergoal tonight but what is he doing starting? If he didn't play for Napoli...

Andujar, Carrizo and Romero are all underwhelming goalkeepers and to have Otamendi and Dominguez in the backline with the likes of Pareja, Papa, Burdisso, Coloccini and Schiavi also in the squad, it is frankly ridiculous. How much does Maradona know or understand about soccer?

Now I don't know who is injured and who is not injured but are Ustari, Leo Franco, Angeleri, Demichelis, Samuel, Cambiasso, Di Maria, the Ledesmas, Riquelme, Sosa and Lucho Gonzalez all injured? That's 12 players right there that I would at least have 10 of in my squad right away. (edit: add Garay and many others who I have probably forgotten) I really don't understand what he is doing. I felt that he was experimenting all along, giving out numerous caps and thinking anyone can get a job done for him but in what is a massive derby, for them to go down with a whimper is a disaster.

I still have doubts about Brazil but they look as likely as anyone to lift the World Cup. Chile are serious underdogs; I said a year or so ago that I fancied them to qualify and go long into the tournament in South Africa and I still believe that. They are playing very good football.

Argentina need to sort themselves out and quick because 3 teams are pulling a gap and those on their tails are no mugs either...

Also Maradona is not experimenting. I remember you giving out the complete rubbish about Messi and Tevez having the winners mentality with club sides and therefore also with National Team. You saw one match and you saw the light. Brazil still an above average team as well!

Look at the bolded line.

I still believe they will get there but I said Maradona would prove to be a bad move and it has.

If Messi having a winner's mentality is 'complete rubbish' then football is full of losers.

LOL!

Too funny...Just too funny...LOL!

The bolded line justifies the whole piece?!!! You got one thing right which was practically a given. Like I said before you do not know what a winners mentality is. Messi was rubbish yesterday. He did nothing. He has done nothing for Argentina for a long time and the performace was no surprise. The way Brazil played was no suprise but they have the winning mentality.

Touch and go whether Argentina will qualify. Away fixtures against Paraguay and Uruguay will be the key. They got to win at least one of them. Not very likely the way they are playing.

Taib wrote:

Bridge-Bhoy wrote:

Carlos Tevez? What can i say about the man? Probably the most over-rated & over-priced footballer in the world.

He was stinking against Brazil, that was the tip of the ice berg for me.

I have been watching Argentina straight for ages now and Tevez has had no good games for Argentina except that one against Serbia in the World Cup. Every other game he has been rubbish. I honeslty do not understand why he egts picked ahead of Higuian. I said before that Argentina will get nowhere with him. The next game is away against Paraguay who from their seven home games have won six. They are already saying the game against Argentina is a win in their media.

Plus, if Paraguay wins, they are already qualified to the World Cup...

Thiago wrote:

Taib wrote:

Bridge-Bhoy wrote:

Carlos Tevez? What can i say about the man? Probably the most over-rated & over-priced footballer in the world.

He was stinking against Brazil, that was the tip of the ice berg for me.

I have been watching Argentina straight for ages now and Tevez has had no good games for Argentina except that one against Serbia in the World Cup. Every other game he has been rubbish. I honeslty do not understand why he egts picked ahead of Higuian. I said before that Argentina will get nowhere with him. The next game is away against Paraguay who from their seven home games have won six. They are already saying the game against Argentina is a win in their media.

Plus, if Paraguay wins, they are already qualified to the World Cup...

Yep, they are geed up for the match. Brazil have already qualifed. Very strong team. Brazil looks very good on the counterattack. Defensively very good as well. In all areas Brazil are strong and currently I would say they are the best team at this moment. Only conceded seven goals so far. Amazing. I expect Dunga to experiment form in the remaining qualifiers.

Taib wrote:

Caxi wrote:

Taib wrote:

It's gone from:

Caxi wrote:

Àrgentina will be fine.

That team could qualify with Messi as player-coach. There's no need to panic.

Maradona won't be a good coach, we can all see that but Argentina will be in South Africa and with a half decent coach, they win it.

To:

Caxi wrote:

Argentina got exactly what they deserved tonight. They are a shambles and as of now, they don't deserve a spot in the World Cup and if they keep playing like this, they won't make it.

Someone needs to explain to me how 35 year-old, Martin Palermo and that kid from Lanus, Salvio can get in the squad ahead of Zarate. I would like to think there is no vendetta but that just doesn't make sense. For me, even Gago is a dubious selection never mind Brana and Datolo may of scored a wondergoal tonight but what is he doing starting? If he didn't play for Napoli...

Andujar, Carrizo and Romero are all underwhelming goalkeepers and to have Otamendi and Dominguez in the backline with the likes of Pareja, Papa, Burdisso, Coloccini and Schiavi also in the squad, it is frankly ridiculous. How much does Maradona know or understand about soccer?

Now I don't know who is injured and who is not injured but are Ustari, Leo Franco, Angeleri, Demichelis, Samuel, Cambiasso, Di Maria, the Ledesmas, Riquelme, Sosa and Lucho Gonzalez all injured? That's 12 players right there that I would at least have 10 of in my squad right away. (edit: add Garay and many others who I have probably forgotten) I really don't understand what he is doing. I felt that he was experimenting all along, giving out numerous caps and thinking anyone can get a job done for him but in what is a massive derby, for them to go down with a whimper is a disaster.

I still have doubts about Brazil but they look as likely as anyone to lift the World Cup. Chile are serious underdogs; I said a year or so ago that I fancied them to qualify and go long into the tournament in South Africa and I still believe that. They are playing very good football.

Argentina need to sort themselves out and quick because 3 teams are pulling a gap and those on their tails are no mugs either...

Also Maradona is not experimenting. I remember you giving out the complete rubbish about Messi and Tevez having the winners mentality with club sides and therefore also with National Team. You saw one match and you saw the light. Brazil still an above average team as well!

Look at the bolded line.

I still believe they will get there but I said Maradona would prove to be a bad move and it has.

If Messi having a winner's mentality is 'complete rubbish' then football is full of losers.

LOL!

Too funny...Just too funny...LOL!

The bolded line justifies the whole piece?!!! You got one thing right which was practically a given. Like I said before you do not know what a winners mentality is. Messi was rubbish yesterday. He did nothing. He has done nothing for Argentina for a long time and the performace was no surprise. The way Brazil played was no suprise but they have the winning mentality.

Touch and go whether Argentina will qualify. Away fixtures against Paraguay and Uruguay will be the key. They got to win at least one of them. Not very likely the way they are playing.

The bolded line justified that what you are trying to make out I am saying is not true. We had the winner's mentality discussion before. The fact Maradona has called up about 60 different players might suggest he is experimenting and I would expect to see Argentina in South Africa; if I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and admit you were right.

You keep telling me I'm wrong, on pretty much any topic for that matter. However, you fail to show, at least in my eyes why you're right.

Taib wrote:

Thiago wrote:

Taib wrote:

Bridge-Bhoy wrote:

Carlos Tevez? What can i say about the man? Probably the most over-rated & over-priced footballer in the world.

He was stinking against Brazil, that was the tip of the ice berg for me.

I have been watching Argentina straight for ages now and Tevez has had no good games for Argentina except that one against Serbia in the World Cup. Every other game he has been rubbish. I honeslty do not understand why he egts picked ahead of Higuian. I said before that Argentina will get nowhere with him. The next game is away against Paraguay who from their seven home games have won six. They are already saying the game against Argentina is a win in their media.

Plus, if Paraguay wins, they are already qualified to the World Cup...

Yep, they are geed up for the match. Brazil have already qualifed. Very strong team. Brazil looks very good on the counterattack. Defensively very good as well. In all areas Brazil are strong and currently I would say they are the best team at this moment. Only conceded seven goals so far. Amazing. I expect Dunga to experiment form in the remaining qualifiers.

I just think Brazilian fragility is our attack... Let's see if we can play without Luis Fabiano as he is suspended for the match against Chile.
Next match the substitutes for Lúcio, Kaká, Luis Fabiano (all suspended) and Robinho (injuried) must be, respectively, Miranda, Julio Baptista, Adriano and Nilmar.

Dunga should've called Grafite

Thiago wrote:

Taib wrote:

Thiago wrote:

Taib wrote:

Bridge-Bhoy wrote:

Carlos Tevez? What can i say about the man? Probably the most over-rated & over-priced footballer in the world.

He was stinking against Brazil, that was the tip of the ice berg for me.

I have been watching Argentina straight for ages now and Tevez has had no good games for Argentina except that one against Serbia in the World Cup. Every other game he has been rubbish. I honeslty do not understand why he egts picked ahead of Higuian. I said before that Argentina will get nowhere with him. The next game is away against Paraguay who from their seven home games have won six. They are already saying the game against Argentina is a win in their media.

Plus, if Paraguay wins, they are already qualified to the World Cup...

Yep, they are geed up for the match. Brazil have already qualifed. Very strong team. Brazil looks very good on the counterattack. Defensively very good as well. In all areas Brazil are strong and currently I would say they are the best team at this moment. Only conceded seven goals so far. Amazing. I expect Dunga to experiment form in the remaining qualifiers.

I just think Brazilian fragility is our attack... Let's see if we can play without Luis Fabiano as he is suspended for the match against Chile.
Next match the substitutes for Lúcio, Kaká, Luis Fabiano (all suspended) and Robinho (injuried) must be, respectively, Miranda, Julio Baptista, Adriano and Nilmar.

Brazil is good at attack and many options. Very clinical at taking the chances. For example against the Argentina, Brazil have very few chances and possession but still scored three good goals. If I see any weakness in the Brazil team it is that the team plays very narrow almost exclusively using the fullbacks for width.

Adriano can take Luis Fabiano place and also there is Grafite and Pato should get picked. Why is Alex of Chelsea not picked? He should get picked. There is also Miranda and Juan who are picked.

Elano can Kaka' place. Brazil has plenty of options. Just some good players like Alex and Pato that never got picked. Why is Lucas picked I will never know.

Caxi wrote:

Taib wrote:

Caxi wrote:

Taib wrote:

It's gone from:

Caxi wrote:

Àrgentina will be fine.

That team could qualify with Messi as player-coach. There's no need to panic.

Maradona won't be a good coach, we can all see that but Argentina will be in South Africa and with a half decent coach, they win it.

To:

Caxi wrote:

Argentina got exactly what they deserved tonight. They are a shambles and as of now, they don't deserve a spot in the World Cup and if they keep playing like this, they won't make it.

Someone needs to explain to me how 35 year-old, Martin Palermo and that kid from Lanus, Salvio can get in the squad ahead of Zarate. I would like to think there is no vendetta but that just doesn't make sense. For me, even Gago is a dubious selection never mind Brana and Datolo may of scored a wondergoal tonight but what is he doing starting? If he didn't play for Napoli...

Andujar, Carrizo and Romero are all underwhelming goalkeepers and to have Otamendi and Dominguez in the backline with the likes of Pareja, Papa, Burdisso, Coloccini and Schiavi also in the squad, it is frankly ridiculous. How much does Maradona know or understand about soccer?

Now I don't know who is injured and who is not injured but are Ustari, Leo Franco, Angeleri, Demichelis, Samuel, Cambiasso, Di Maria, the Ledesmas, Riquelme, Sosa and Lucho Gonzalez all injured? That's 12 players right there that I would at least have 10 of in my squad right away. (edit: add Garay and many others who I have probably forgotten) I really don't understand what he is doing. I felt that he was experimenting all along, giving out numerous caps and thinking anyone can get a job done for him but in what is a massive derby, for them to go down with a whimper is a disaster.

I still have doubts about Brazil but they look as likely as anyone to lift the World Cup. Chile are serious underdogs; I said a year or so ago that I fancied them to qualify and go long into the tournament in South Africa and I still believe that. They are playing very good football.

Argentina need to sort themselves out and quick because 3 teams are pulling a gap and those on their tails are no mugs either...

Also Maradona is not experimenting. I remember you giving out the complete rubbish about Messi and Tevez having the winners mentality with club sides and therefore also with National Team. You saw one match and you saw the light. Brazil still an above average team as well!

Look at the bolded line.

I still believe they will get there but I said Maradona would prove to be a bad move and it has.

If Messi having a winner's mentality is 'complete rubbish' then football is full of losers.

LOL!

Too funny...Just too funny...LOL!

The bolded line justifies the whole piece?!!! You got one thing right which was practically a given. Like I said before you do not know what a winners mentality is. Messi was rubbish yesterday. He did nothing. He has done nothing for Argentina for a long time and the performace was no surprise. The way Brazil played was no suprise but they have the winning mentality.

Touch and go whether Argentina will qualify. Away fixtures against Paraguay and Uruguay will be the key. They got to win at least one of them. Not very likely the way they are playing.

The bolded line justified that what you are trying to make out I am saying is not true. We had the winner's mentality discussion before. The fact Maradona has called up about 60 different players might suggest he is experimenting and I would expect to see Argentina in South Africa; if I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and admit you were right.

You keep telling me I'm wrong, on pretty much any topic for that matter. However, you fail to show, at least in my eyes why you're right.

Unbelieavable!!! Are you for real?! LOL!

The bolded bit is irrelevent. Read the whole lot and in the bolded bit does not change anything. I could have deleted the bolded bit but I did not find it necessary since you look like a moron with it there anyway. The bolded bit is a faux pas as I have already explained even photoplankton can guage that Maradona will be a rubbish coach. I already alluded that as did someone else earlier in the thread.

The fact that Maradona has called up 60 players is because Maradona is clueless not because he is experimenting. Normal person experimens when in firnedlies not in crucial qualifiers when qualification is hanging by a thread.

I never said Argentina will not qualify. I said it is a touch and go. It is an idiom for "maybe". It depends on their away games against Paraguay which is going to be tough and Uruguay in Montevideo are no pushovers either.

Why I am right? The results pretty much justify it. Maybe if Argentina do not qualify then Maradona leave and Messi can become player/coach??! With winners mentality I think he could get the house in order. I can envisage Messi in the changing room now, geeing up the lads.

I do not care in your eyes. You are far to stubbern to acknowledge if anyone is right even when you know you are wrong.

All these posts of mine that you quote, laugh at and say are wrong explain the following:

- Argentina have enough talent, quality and a strong enough mentality to qualify for the WC with Maradona.
- Argentina are unlikely to win the World Cup with Maradona as coach.
- Brazil are not my first pick to win the World Cup (although I admit they are getting stronger).
- Maradona is experimenting (they don't have as many games to work with as most sides do).

You can't possibly say I am wrong for the situation has yet to be played out. I can't say you're correct for the same reasons.

My opinion of life, of football, of whatever changes on a daily basis. I made a few predictions a few months ago which could yet turn out to be correct. If I am wrong, I'll hold my hands up much to your satisfaction.

I don't understand why you feel it is so important to show I am wrong. I won't be trapsing through all your previous posts to prove a point.

I'll leave it at that.

Caxi wrote:

All these posts of mine that you quote, laugh at and say are wrong explain the following:

- Argentina have enough talent, quality and a strong enough mentality to qualify for the WC with Maradona.
- Argentina are unlikely to win the World Cup with Maradona as coach.
- Brazil are not my first pick to win the World Cup (although I admit they are getting stronger).
- Maradona is experimenting (they don't have as many games to work with as most sides do).

You can't possibly say I am wrong for the situation has yet to be played out. I can't say you're correct for the same reasons.

My opinion of life, of football, of whatever changes on a daily basis. I made a few predictions a few months ago which could yet turn out to be correct. If I am wrong, I'll hold my hands up much to your satisfaction.

I don't understand why you feel it is so important to show I am wrong. I won't be trapsing through all your previous posts to prove a point.

I'll leave it at that.

I agree with you Caxi, Argentina should qualify, maybe via playoff with CONCACAF, but I still believe they will be there.
I like the fact that Brazil is not considered absolute favourites. They usually grow stronger under criticism.

Taib wrote:

Brazil is good at attack and many options. Very clinical at taking the chances. For example against the Argentina, Brazil have very few chances and possession but still scored three good goals. If I see any weakness in the Brazil team it is that the team plays very narrow almost exclusively using the fullbacks for width.

Adriano can take Luis Fabiano place and also there is Grafite and Pato should get picked. Why is Alex of Chelsea not picked? He should get picked. There is also Miranda and Juan who are picked.

Elano can Kaka' place. Brazil has plenty of options. Just some good players like Alex and Pato that never got picked. Why is Lucas picked I will never know.

-Indeed, we have many options in the attack, but Dunga never picked Grafite and he picked Diego Tardelli, who is ok but I don't know if he is good enough.
-In my opinion, in the centre defense, there is only one spot left as it's almost certain three of them will be Lucio, Juan and Luisão. So Miranda and Alex will compete.
-For me, Diego also deserves to be called.
-And we don't have a good substitute for the left back

I think if Brazil want to do well in a tournament they have to be slight underdogs. When all the focus is on them, albeit they thrive on it, it often gets too much and they end up underachieving.

Obviously I hope they don't win in S Africa only because I want Italy to catch them in the honours list!

Almost a Lazio player, Reggina's Carlos Valdez just sent off for Uruguay against Colombia for a reckeless challenge.

Bridge-Bhoy wrote:

Almost a Lazio player, Reggina's Carlos Valdez just sent off for Uruguay against Colombia for a reckeless challenge.

I saw that on livescore is Muslera playing?

i need a link for paraguay vs argentina please =(

flurffmeister wrote:

i need a link for paraguay vs argentina please =(

bet365.com, and the quality is good.

lazio365 wrote:

flurffmeister wrote:

i need a link for paraguay vs argentina please =(

bet365.com, and the quality is good.

need an account ;s

Sometimes atdhe.net works but not right now

feel sorry for Zarate and his other argentinian compatriots.... now they won't have much chance to perform in the world cup 2010.....

that is the consequences of appointing a rehab occupier as a coach.... feel so sad for argentina... a WC wouldn't be the same without them... Bahrain can go to South Africa and Argentina can't?? amazing... (with all due respect to all Bahrain supporters)

Okay we all know Maradona has lost the plot, but last night was the final straw.

Not alone is he not selecting Higuain, Zarate, Sameul, Cambiasso & Garay etc.

He didnt even include Lisadnro Lopez (Argubley the form European striker of early 2009-10) and Diego Milito on his bench for last nights game.

Yet he included Martin Palermo (35) as a sub on 60 minutes. But get a load of this, at 1-0 down he decides to hand 36 year old Centre Back Rolando Schiavi a debut. I conspire against this one, in my eyes, Diego knows he is about to get the sack so decided to give him a centemental debut.

Messi just is not the same player with the National team, no real fault of his own, hes always moved around, his attacking partners are constantly being changed.

The only bright not for last night was AZ goalkeeper Sergio Romero, performed admirably on his debut.

All Argentina need is a coaching change.

On another note Paraguay look like a well oiled machine.

Cabanas & Valdez link up so good, possibley better than the likes of Villa & Torres (No Kidding). They no everytime were each other are, iv seen this in many games. Last nights goal for Valdez showed this, that goal was as good a team goal as you are likley to see.

They also have great back-up strikers. The amazing Oscar Cardozo & The injured Roque Santa Cruz. Seriously, this could be there time, they have the quality to get to at least the quarter finals.

Edgar Baretto & Jonathon Santana play well together in the midfield, as well as having a great defence.

Chile looked good at times against Brazil, just couldnt push forward for that elusive winner against 10 men. But should qualify non the less.

Uruguay on there day can match any team in the world.

For this reason i want South America's qualifiers to be the strongest possible. I want Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay & Uruguay.

P.S Muslera on the bench for Uruguay, but Castillo in goal has looked assured in boith games.

Thiago wrote:

Caxi wrote:

All these posts of mine that you quote, laugh at and say are wrong explain the following:

- Argentina have enough talent, quality and a strong enough mentality to qualify for the WC with Maradona.
- Argentina are unlikely to win the World Cup with Maradona as coach.
- Brazil are not my first pick to win the World Cup (although I admit they are getting stronger).
- Maradona is experimenting (they don't have as many games to work with as most sides do).

You can't possibly say I am wrong for the situation has yet to be played out. I can't say you're correct for the same reasons.

My opinion of life, of football, of whatever changes on a daily basis. I made a few predictions a few months ago which could yet turn out to be correct. If I am wrong, I'll hold my hands up much to your satisfaction.

I don't understand why you feel it is so important to show I am wrong. I won't be trapsing through all your previous posts to prove a point.

I'll leave it at that.

I agree with you Caxi, Argentina should qualify, maybe via playoff with CONCACAF, but I still believe they will be there.
I like the fact that Brazil is not considered absolute favourites. They usually grow stronger under criticism.

Taib wrote:

Brazil is good at attack and many options. Very clinical at taking the chances. For example against the Argentina, Brazil have very few chances and possession but still scored three good goals. If I see any weakness in the Brazil team it is that the team plays very narrow almost exclusively using the fullbacks for width.

Adriano can take Luis Fabiano place and also there is Grafite and Pato should get picked. Why is Alex of Chelsea not picked? He should get picked. There is also Miranda and Juan who are picked.

Elano can Kaka' place. Brazil has plenty of options. Just some good players like Alex and Pato that never got picked. Why is Lucas picked I will never know.

-Indeed, we have many options in the attack, but Dunga never picked Grafite and he picked Diego Tardelli, who is ok but I don't know if he is good enough.
-In my opinion, in the centre defense, there is only one spot left as it's almost certain three of them will be Lucio, Juan and Luisão. So Miranda and Alex will compete.
-For me, Diego also deserves to be called.
-And we don't have a good substitute for the left back

The match against Chile was epxerimenting I feel. No real need to win and just just intergrate some players in the National Team set-up. André Dias, Cleiton Xavier and Diego Souza also got picked. I think Alex should get the nod over Miranda. Many players deserve to be called. Diego is one one of them but there is only room for 23 players. Some have to sacrificed. Brazil I think do have plenty of options. Filipe has been good at Deportivo La Coruna. If not then Dani Alves can play there if necessary. Also I would have Thiago Motta. He was fantastic in the Milan Derby and for Genoa last year. This is 23 players I would call if I was Brazil coach:

Julio Cesar (Internazionale)
Vítor (Grêmio)
Gomes (Tottenham Hotspur)

Maicon (Internazionale)
Daniel Alves (Barcelona)
Lúcio (Internazionale)
Juan (Roma)
Luisão (Benfica)
Alex (Chelsea)
André Santos (Fenerbahçe)
Filipe (Deportivo La Coruña)

Gilberto Silva (Panathinaikos)
Josué (Wolfsburg)
Felipe Melo (Juventus)
Motta (Internazionale)
Elano (Galatasaray)
Ramires (Benfica)
Kaká (Real Madrid)
Diego (Juventus)

Robinho (Manchester City)
Luís Fabiano (Sevilla)
Pato (Milan)
Adriano (Flamengo)

I think I may have left some important players out maybe. Still, what a team. Full of class. Honestly the best squad in International Football I have seen for a long time.

Bridge-Bhoy wrote:

Okay we all know Maradona has lost the plot, but last night was the final straw.

Not alone is he not selecting Higuain, Zarate, Sameul, Cambiasso & Garay etc.

He didnt even include Lisadnro Lopez (Argubley the form European striker of early 2009-10) and Diego Milito on his bench for last nights game.

Yet he included Martin Palermo (35) as a sub on 60 minutes. But get a load of this, at 1-0 down he decides to hand 36 year old Centre Back Rolando Schiavi a debut. I conspire against this one, in my eyes, Diego knows he is about to get the sack so decided to give him a centemental debut.

Messi just is not the same player with the National team, no real fault of his own, hes always moved around, his attacking partners are constantly being changed.

The only bright not for last night was AZ goalkeeper Sergio Romero, performed admirably on his debut.

All Argentina need is a coaching change.

On another note Paraguay look like a well oiled machine.

Cabanas & Valdez link up so good, possibley better than the likes of Villa & Torres (No Kidding). They no everytime were each other are, iv seen this in many games. Last nights goal for Valdez showed this, that goal was as good a team goal as you are likley to see.

They also have great back-up strikers. The amazing Oscar Cardozo & The injured Roque Santa Cruz. Seriously, this could be there time, they have the quality to get to at least the quarter finals.

Edgar Baretto & Jonathon Santana play well together in the midfield, as well as having a great defence.

Chile looked good at times against Brazil, just couldnt push forward for that elusive winner against 10 men. But should qualify non the less.

Uruguay on there day can match any team in the world.

For this reason i want South America's qualifiers to be the strongest possible. I want Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay & Uruguay.

P.S Muslera on the bench for Uruguay, but Castillo in goal has looked assured in boith games.

I had to see the match again because I did not believe my diabolical eyes the first time but yes Mascherano was taking corner kicks! LOL! Bringing on Schiavi when you need a goal with ten minutes to go! LOLOL! Martin Palermo, I will never forget that bostero. Famous for those three penalty misses(Kluivert style!) in the defeat to Columbia in 1999. He got capped as well. OMG.

Seriously no organisation and no patience to play. It seems there is one ball to midfield and like a hot potato they just give it to attack who subsequently lose it. Not joking but it took 70 minutes for Argentina to have a proper chance. 70 minutes!!! The players do not seem to care. They knew qualification is at stake but they never played with any urgency at all! No heart and no belief.

Solid selection but I wouldn't call-up Adriano. Again, I'd go with Grafite, he's got a good record. He's not the head case that Adriano is.

Trequartista wrote:

Solid selection but I wouldn't call-up Adriano. Again, I'd go with Grafite, he's got a good record. He's not the head case that Adriano is.

Yes, you may be on to something. He scored a hattrick against in the Champions League.

Muslera starting tonight for Uruguay against Ecuador

Argentina...wow

What an unbelievably crucial goal at the death and credit where credit's due, Diego's man came up with the goods.

Interesting stat; Maradona is approaching a year in management and has already called up 78 players. That's 7 different teams and for whatever reason, neither Cambiasso or Samuel made that 78.

The experimenting process needs to end pronto. That was too close a call...