Serie A: LAZIO-NAPOLI, Sunday, 26-10--08

We were unlucky today, if we look at the positives we actually played better then them. It shows how important Hamsik is to their team since he didn't really perform today.

I'm starting to miss Rocchi now, we need a striker who doesn't always shoot from 20 metres like Pandev and Zarate. Everyone is critizing Sivilglia and I also think we need to put him on the bench now. But what could we do? Cribari was injured, even if I think we should give Diakte a chance it would be crazy to let him play this game.

We are currently linked to many defenders so Rossi does obviouslly know about our problem. I don't agree with the critizing of him after every loss, and when we win he is a hero. He have started making the right choices now and not only playing his favorited players. If we get Fernandez in January together with a defender our team is looking very good. Remember we still have a lot of new players that need to get used to our play and Serie-A.


Forza Lazio

LofL wrote:

We were unlucky today, if we look at the positives we actually played better then them. It shows how important Hamsik is to their team since he didn't really perform today.

I'm starting to miss Rocchi now, we need a striker who doesn't always shoot from 20 metres like Pandev and Zarate. Everyone is critizing Sivilglia and I also think we need to put him on the bench now. But what could we do? Cribari was injured, even if I think we should give Diakte a chance it would be crazy to let him play this game.

We are currently linked to many defenders so Rossi does obviouslly know about our problem. I don't agree with the critizing of him after every loss, and when we win he is a hero. He have started making the right choices now and not only playing his favorited players. If we get Fernandez in January together with a defender our team is looking very good. Remember we still have a lot of new players that need to get used to our play and Serie-A.


Forza Lazio

I completely agree with you man.

The team was unlucky and on another day Lazio probably would have won this game. Yes I think it is now becoming very obvious how and why Rocchi is so important for the team and I hope he gets back from injury as soon as possible. But I think Siviglia is not to blame for this, he has been very solid and reliable for us since he joined in 2004 and although he has some bad games in general I see him as the best Lazio centre back we currently have. But something does need to be done in the central defense department. Give Diakite a go Rossi in some games. Maybe not against Chievo but the next home game, why not? As for transfer targets its a bit too early for me to think about it but yeah I agree if Fernandez joins it would be terrific for the squad and even a quality centre back with add strength to the side.

highlights !?

Simply put - I don't think we deserved to lose. It was a BS goal, but in the end, we never made anything of our chances. At least 3x, we were inside the box and we just turned the ball over. Not even getting a legit shot on goal when we HAD the advantage! Hell, Napoli's keeper was even out of the next for what seemed like 5 minutes and we turned it over. I believe a draw would have been the deserved result. smelling as happens.

We need to play w/ more confidence.

Napoli were beatable today - we just beat ourselves.

thanks..... today's game was all about luck as i saw from the highlights

Matrim wrote:

Well, I watched the final third of the game and while I think we do have problems, we lost due to extremely lucky goal, if we had scored such a goal to take the lead we would most likely have won, that's football for you. The biggest issue is that we simply cannot go on with crossing to Zarate and Pandev who play as support strikers...supporting no one. They worked great when we could counter-attack in September but not any more. Zarate needs to learn when and how to pass, he is becoming a very annoying ball hog. Too bad Rocchi is injured because Zarate deserves to be benched in order to control his ego a bit. of course, benching him in the second half last week probably made him even more selfish because back then he sure was more effective than Pandev, maybe that's why they didn't pass to each other a lot today, the idiots.

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My feeling was that if Napoli really wanted to score...they would.

My feeling after reading each of your posts is that you have no clue whatsoever about football.

Well excuse me bulgarian fellow..but you`d wish to know football like i do. And surprise, surprise, i know alot more than you.
I wasnt talking to you..i just said my opinion about this game. If you have a personal issue with me (no wonder when it comes to Bulgaria)..better keep it to yourself. I`m talking about Lazio and my opinions..and you are talking about others, like u know everything (we have another joker like that around here). Believe me that you don`t want to start a serious fight with me .. i ignored you, tried to joke when u insulted me..but you better fuck off, really. I`m not willing to take u`re stupid insults anymore.

Back to this match.......i disagree with many of those who wrote before me (but i will not insult them...like others do when they try to be smart). I disagree as in "luck" stuff. And of course Mauri stuff.
Let`s see again..some said that we had alot of chances and they were lucky. Wrong.. those chances came but, for example, 999 players out 1000 would have scored in that position where Mauri thought 100 years what he should do, and when he finnaly decides, with the GK lost somewhere in space, he missed like an idiot. And ok..players can`t score anytime, they miss. Agree...but he always misses, he never knows what to do in the penalty box..AND HE`S AN OFFENSIVE MID !!!! He can`t coordonate..he can`t be dangerous for out opp`s defense..he can`t pass..yet he`s still in Lazio`s first team. So until i won`t see some RESPECT from Delio Rossi, and until i will see those kind of players on the bench..i will always say how idiot Rossi or Mauri is. Why ? Because this is Lazio..is not their joke. End of story.
Now..back to luck. Maybe those extraterestrial shots by Ledesma (who probably flew away over Lazio region..and arrived in Sicilia region or somewhere) was unlucky.......or the fact that Zarate is not willing to pass (not that he has support or something..after all Mauri is the offensive mid) or that Carizzo was a statue when Napoli had those chances at the end of first half ????
I will say that Napoli was unlucky...they desirve to win by many goals. To be desperate in their penalty box and to provide stupid shots and stupid crosses in their penalty..just to look that you are creating and having chances...is not football. It`s hazard. And it`s not bad luck..it`s bad strategy, bad tactics and bad players. Napoli`s chances were far greater then ours and most of it...they calmly created them..not by hazard like we did. By any chance..did u saw how they pass and cross the ball when they were around 30 m around our posts ????? And that happened at 0-0 included..after that we were toys for them. They were lucky to score ????? This is the best joke...guys just watch how Lavezzi humiliated our defense. If that, by luck, could have been deflected by Siviglia..Lavezzi would have scored anyway (or anyone else).

I keep hearing after every game about the "luck" factor. I said this also when we played with Lecce....but now is funny to read after every game "we were unlucky". Unlucky every match.. jesus i feel like those bad profets. Isnt weird that we`re unlucky every game ?? It`s just a question. My answer is..no..we are the same as every one else, but we don`t have a tactic, always expect that Pandev or Zarate will do magic, there is a BIG gap between our mid and attack..because the tactic is wrong and the players are wrong.

So it`s very annoying to read "luck..unluck..luck" words every week..from people who pretend to know football very well (annoying it`s a decent word that i found to name those kind of guys).

Bye Bye Mr. Rossi

i had a discussion today with someone at the chart about zarate where i defended him and his style of play, but hey, after today i take it back. Zarate really needs to pass that ball before he attempts to take on everyone, its no surprise anymore and serie a defenders know that this will be the most likely thing he will do, maurito has to get it together and work on team play, he could have easily decided the match with one or two passes, look for a wall or something.

We were very unlucky today, and its been a month to forget, but the lads will pull it together.

UI think we are missing our capitano!

Forza lazio!


PS. you two please don't make it uncomfortable for us and go solve your love issues via private messages.

I also have to point out that our defenders did good today despite the own goal. i like rozehnal and radu especially and i really think the lads did well at the back. Today we were missing in a different department.

Everyone here is entitled to an opiniom and its time some members start to respect this.

We are all together on this and you guys have to agree to disagree, so calling ppl who said we were unlucky to day annoying is extremely ANNOYING!

Cheer up guys, a couple of losses and you already want to kill each other? Come on where's the Laziale spirit and attitude!!

Afterall we're all after one thing in here, and its Lazio, stop insulting each other, show some respect to the guys who worked their ass off to gIve us the opportunity to be able to communicate in this forum. Stop making their life difficult to moderate this forum.

Thanks.

FORZA LAZIO!

I don't know what is more depressing, this game against Lazio or read these fights and insults. FFS show some respect to eachother and lazialita and don't call fellow laziali names just becouse they have different opinions. Grow up all of you!

Kurama_SSLazio wrote:

Back to this match.......i disagree with many of those who wrote before me (but i will not insult them...like others do when they try to be smart). I disagree as in "luck" stuff. And of course Mauri stuff.
Let`s see again..some said that we had alot of chances and they were lucky. Wrong.. those chances came but, for example, 999 players out 1000 would have scored in that position where Mauri thought 100 years what he should do, and when he finnaly decides, with the GK lost somewhere in space, he missed like an idiot. And ok..players can`t score anytime, they miss. Agree...but he always misses, he never knows what to do in the penalty box..AND HE`S AN OFFENSIVE MID !!!! He can`t coordonate..he can`t be dangerous for out opp`s defense..he can`t pass..yet he`s still in Lazio`s first team. So until i won`t see some RESPECT from Delio Rossi, and until i will see those kind of players on the bench..i will always say how idiot Rossi or Mauri is. Why ? Because this is Lazio..is not their joke. End of story.
Now..back to luck. Maybe those extraterestrial shots by Ledesma (who probably flew away over Lazio region..and arrived in Sicilia region or somewhere) was unlucky.......or the fact that Zarate is not willing to pass (not that he has support or something..after all Mauri is the offensive mid) or that Carizzo was a statue when Napoli had those chances at the end of first half ????
I will say that Napoli was unlucky...they desirve to win by many goals. To be desperate in their penalty box and to provide stupid shots and stupid crosses in their penalty..just to look that you are creating and having chances...is not football. It`s hazard. And it`s not bad luck..it`s bad strategy, bad tactics and bad players. Napoli`s chances were far greater then ours and most of it...they calmly created them..not by hazard like we did. By any chance..did u saw how they pass and cross the ball when they were around 30 m around our posts ????? And that happened at 0-0 included..after that we were toys for them. They were lucky to score ????? This is the best joke...guys just watch how Lavezzi humiliated our defense. If that, by luck, could have been deflected by Siviglia..Lavezzi would have scored anyway (or anyone else).

I keep hearing after every game about the "luck" factor. I said this also when we played with Lecce....but now is funny to read after every game "we were unlucky". Unlucky every match.. jesus i feel like those bad profets. Isnt weird that we`re unlucky every game ?? It`s just a question. My answer is..no..we are the same as every one else, but we don`t have a tactic, always expect that Pandev or Zarate will do magic, there is a BIG gap between our mid and attack..because the tactic is wrong and the players are wrong.

So it`s very annoying to read "luck..unluck..luck" words every week..from people who pretend to know football very well (annoying it`s a decent word that i found to name those kind of guys).

Bye Bye Mr. Rossi

Well said!!!Agree 1000000000%.

There is no reason why we must defend Rossi.Some of you said that the ref was guilty for this result,or unluck,or weather or I don't know what stupid reasons.NO!With Rossi our team sucks!For these results only Delio is responsible!How many matches we must loose,only because Rossi is experimenting with players like Mauri,Siviglia,Makinwa!HOw many years we need to realise that they're not for Lazio?!!!This is not a chemical laboratory!!!!!This is Lazio!Ledesma,Mauri,Siviglia...why are they starters after a Bologna match?Why?Why can't Delio make Zarate not to be selfish?Why isn't he's girlfriend Foggia and not Mauri?Why must Stendardo(our best CB in this moment)go to Lecce?Why is Radu playing so poor this season?Why we can't have another mentality?Why we can't score?Why aren't our midfielders giving the right balls to the strikers?Why aren't they helping them?Why are they bordered from the strikers?Why aren't we palying like a team?Why is Ledesma our captain?It's a SHAME!Why must a player be on the pitch until the 80th minute,if Inzaghi enters and scores?Cagliari match....luck.There can we say that there was luck!Why can't we give confidence to our young defenders?At least they are faster,and don't score own goals!
Many of you said that introducing youngsters against Napoli is a risk.And introducing Siviglia is a disaster!!!I don't want the whole primavera on the pitch,but if we loose whoever plays,why not to introduce youngsters and not 40 y old grandpas?This season is compromised!But what if a young player gets confidence and from next season he becomes part of the first 11?
And don't come with the results from the '06-'07 season,the match against Fiorentina!That WAS LUCK!Why can't we change our tactics?We playing with this from the Flinstone era!If something is broken down,I repair it!
What I have wrote here are problems that must be resolved by Rossi.This is the job what we call "coach"!But how many years he needs to change something?If he needs the time what was needed to realise that Makinwa isn't a football players,then he better leaves us!

I really want the moderators to step in on these arguments. As funny as they are, it will undoubtedly put off new members from joining and existing members from posting.

I'll give my thoughts on the game now. Firstly, Delio got it all wrong again and I can say this because we lost. Clearly Manfredini and Mauri were in the side to provide a bit of security as Cash pointed out in the chat. An overly cautious approach. I don't think Delio realised that it was a bad attitude rather than an attacking line up that cost us against Bologna. Therefore, in my opinion, we couldn't score and a draw was the best we could have got...and we didn't get it.

Now, I said previously that Lecce got a result against us because they knew what side we would put out and prepared accordingly. I think Bologna found it easier too because of that. Now, if you want to mix things up in attack, DON'T leave out Foggia. Smart thing to do would have been to have some balls and leave out Pandev or Zarate. Neither have been at the races of late and a change of formation or possibly Inzaghi upfront would make us a little less predictable and maybe we could have gave them something that f**ked with their gameplan.

In all honesty, Crapoli must have looked at the teamsheet and thought the game was theirs. We need to make changes in the next game because we have nothing to lose now. At this rate, we would never beat Chievo anyway.

I re opened this topic after the clarify conversation and apologizes between our members Sile and LazioPhilic in the dedicated post-
I am sure that who cares about this community and our behaviour understand that we are here for uìone reason: LA LAZIO-

So far i expect from ALL the same anger, energy, critics, support , fights BUT always respecting each other.

Thanks

Corrrrrect We are all laziale and we want the best for the greatest team in the world!

DaKiller wrote:

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that was hilarious but if DaKiller keeps this up I demand a ban

Actually, I do think Napoli's goal was luck. What else would you call it? Skill? It was planned?

It was luck.

Fact is...goals like that happen and they do cost teams games. Unfort. it happened to us today.

I also know a ton about football and a ton about Lazio and I can tell you this much...we had just as many opportunities as Napoli had and both teams F'd it up. That's the way it goes sometimes.

I could sit here and critique each player...but we all saw the game and know the results.

In the end, you have to make the most of your chances and we didn't make any.

I'm sure that the team will start very, very soon to play with It's full potencial and show that Lazio will be fighting for the CL spots! Every team has bad moments ..

FORZA LAZIO !!!

were Napoli sandbagging though?

I mean, I would think that they knew what we knew; if they could keep Pandev and Zarate at bay, they would win.

It was just one of those games that one side was going to win. Sadly it wasn't us but in those situations, we have to make it us.

Our main problem was, and is, that we do not have a player running deep into the opponents box. Zarate and Pandev had a great start this season, and they seem to have taken things a bit too far by thinking they are unbeatable. We need Rocchi back, but up until then we must field Foggia together with the two just mentioned since it is when the three of them are on the field we can expect things happening. When it is only them two, the opposing team know exactly who to cover and who to attack, and that is that. We saw that Mauri had chances to score, but he is just not the man with the quality to finish our attacks. Ledesma is out of it, meaning that the choices are very limited when it comes to offense and creativity. With three potential scorers we are harder tp predict and calculate on. With only Za and Pa, and with a weak Mauri and Ledesma, we have no offensive game.

Cash wrote:

Our main problem was, and is, that we do not have a player running deep into the opponents box. Zarate and Pandev had a great start this season, and they seem to have taken things a bit too far by thinking they are unbeatable. We need Rocchi back, but up until then we must field Foggia together with the two just mentioned since it is when the three of them are on the field we can expect things happening. When it is only them two, the opposing team know exactly who to cover and who to attack, and that is that. We saw that Mauri had chances to score, but he is just not the man with the quality to finish our attacks. Ledesma is out of it, meaning that the choices are very limited when it comes to offense and creativity. With three potential scorers we are harder tp predict and calculate on. With only Za and Pa, and with a weak Mauri and Ledesma, we have no offensive game.

What no offensive game , Zarate was 2 times in the first half alone against the goalkeeper. And one of that came after great pass from behind , Manfedini did it. This were very clear chances , it was lacking just a good final touch.
Not to mention how many times Zarate and Pandev should have combined.Second half we had one 100 % missed goal. If that is not enough...

I don't think we were toothless , we had enough opportunities , the players just didn't take the advantage of them. We were attacking all the time , I cant recall Lazio to gave the initiative or to suffer from absence of ideas. Napoli had their chances as well , but that is very understandable , because we , both teams are the same level at this stage.

what a terrible game.

Uragano wrote:

Actually, I do think Napoli's goal was luck. What else would you call it? Skill? It was planned?

It was luck.

Fact is...goals like that happen and they do cost teams games. Unfort. it happened to us today...

I agree totally here.

You have to be an idiot to blame Siviglia for that goal. It was totally lucky goal and luckier one can not get more than that.


We just didn`t use our 3 excellent chances in the first half while we totally dominated Napoli.

By our constant misses, they started playing better as our players were becoming nervous by lack of goal scoring after such a heavy work.