Pandev, Ledesma, De Silvestri...Lotito!

blue-white wrote:

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Caxi.. Do you know Macheda??? He had 2 more years of cis cntract to expiere... And he is not yet World class talent.... Fergie give him improved contract and he didnt wait for his final year of a contract

Fergie can give Macheda a contract because in England it´s legal to give a 17 years old boy a professional contract. In Italy and spain it is not allowed.

You missed the point

Expected outcome.

NITRO wrote:

blue-white wrote:

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Caxi.. Do you know Macheda??? He had 2 more years of cis cntract to expiere... And he is not yet World class talent.... Fergie give him improved contract and he didnt wait for his final year of a contract

Fergie can give Macheda a contract because in England it´s legal to give a 17 years old boy a professional contract. In Italy and spain it is not allowed.

You missed the point

He did but I understand why.

I see what you are saying and that is fine. Man U are well run and Lazio are not. Man U have a 800M debt transferred onto the club by the Glazers and are well run while Lotito is just a bad president. I get it.

There are some situations and success I wouldn't swap our situation for. I remember 2004.

But anyway, case is closed for me, I've said all I wanted to say and the debate is going nowhere.

And Pandev reply after the judgement shows how are certain situations inside la Lazio:
“Sono contentissimo perché è finito un incubo.
Non sono andato via dalla Lazio, ma da una persona che mi ha fatto malissimo.

I AM REALLY HAPPY . A NIGHTMARE IS OVER.
I DID NT LEFT LA LAZIO BUT ONLY LOTITO

Rimango un sostenitore della Lazio, anzi ringrazio tutti i suoi tifosi. Mi dispiace per loro, ma hanno capito con che persona hanno a che fare. Lotito e anche Tare non meritano questi tifosi. Nella mia situazione c’erano anche Bonetto, Manfredini e altri. Ci cambiavamo e poi rimanevamo a parte. Crialesi ci comunicava che dovevamo allenarci da soli. Una cosa schifosa!. Con i tifosi non ho mai avuto un problema, tutti lo sanno che ho dato il massimo. Non ho mai tirato i remi in barca, come ha detto Lotito alla gente. Delio Rossi lo sa che ho giocato anche con le punture quando non stavo bene. Mi dispiace anche per i miei compagni che non hanno speso nessuna parola per me, per noi che eravamo fuori.

Ballardini? E’ stato scorretto, con me è stato vergognoso.


Ma soprattutto Lotito e Tare non sono degni di dirigere una società come la Lazio”

LOTITO AND TARE HAVE NO RIGHT TO MANAGE LA LAZIO!

Im hoping that we can use this trial/verdict as a cry for help, more and more people are starting to realise just how retarded Lotito is

ilsemprelaziale wrote:

Im hoping that we can use this trial/verdict as a cry for help, more and more people are starting to realise just how retarded Lotito is

I think a lot of people do hear our cry for help. Thing is we need someone with A LOT of money to hear us and takeover from Lottito. Easier said than done though.

I have no words really to describe how sad it is that Lotito is at the helm - I really am speechless in front of this madman!

I hope Lotito learned a lesson here.

As Lotito said, this is not over. The Lega decision will potentially cost Lazio (or Lotito) in excess of 10 million €, which would be his real market price. If it were your money, would you just sit back and let someone take it from you?

There are higher court instances than this arbitration. Lotito will go to the FA, then to civil court, then to supreme court, then to European court if necessary. What happened today will haunt Pandev for a long time, unfortunately. If at any instance Lotito manages to overturn this verdict, Pandev's career will be ruined.

Another thing we can all see, is that the fans are split on this case. Even some of those who are strictly anti-Lotito do not condone of this behaviour by Pandev. Why? Because at the same time Pandev won against Lotito it was Lazio who lost the most, and keeps on losing in these circumstances. The court decided that Lotito was at fault for the breach of contract, but I believe Pandev isn't completely innocent in this story.

Lotito's tyranny is at stake now. But the beast is most dangerous when cornered. This situation is a clusterfuck and a terrible way to enter our 111th year of existence. Personally I would have preferred cashing in on Pandev and battle Lotito for his other sins. Now we still have a president who sucks ass and we're without much needed money to salvage this season. Lose-lose situation. Fuck.

Lazio keeps losing each and every day that Lotito remains at the helm. I actually honestly hope that if/when Lotito takes this further he keeps losing even if it will hurt Lazio in the short term - maybe that will be what it takes to get him out.

No matter how we twist and turn it, we all have to agree that this is not good for our Lazio...and it is, mainly, our president doing it to us.

i will try not to quote some posts cuz if i do that will take me the whole day...

i must say that this court decision is very good news for the Italian Football...now players can feel protected in Italy and will not be afraid and scared from some shitt like Lotito....

Lotito one more time proves that he is doing very bad policy in Lazio...for Tare i wont even try to spend words...Balardini one more time prove that he is not a man...the next job as a coach will be in FM Sega Mega game.

Pandev, Ledesma, De Silvestri, Lotito.....Santarelli!

If anything this case makes me feel even worse than the others because Santarelli came through this club and doesn't have the career and the money to fall back on that the others did.

Quote :

"Mi ritrovo in questa condizione nonostante non abbia fatto nulla di male. Quest'estate fui ad un passo dal Paris Saint-Germain che mi offrì 13000 euro al mese e la possibilità di fare il secondo in un campionato di livello, e propose al club capitolino 400.000 euro per il mio cartellino. Il presidente Lotito, però, rifiutò e ne chiese più del doppio, circa 900.000: a quel punto i francesi lasciarono perdere. Altre offerte giunsero dalla serie cadetta: l'Arezzo mi volle in comproprietà ma anche in quel caso Lotito sparò una cifra esagerata. Sono due anni che sono fermo e percepisco dalla Lazio il minimo sindacale di 1600 euro al mese. Ho sempre tifato Lazio sin da quando sono bambino e non ho mai voluto mettere in discussione le scelte della società. Ma posso dire con certezza che la dirigenza biancoceleste mi sta rovinando la vita. Non ho mai chiesto spiegazioni, nonostante il preparatore dei portieri Grigioni abbia affermato che non sia idoneo per la serie A. Di lì in poi non mi hanno più permesso di allenarmi con i miei compagni: episodio emblematico è stato quando qualche settimana fa mi presentai a Formello ma mi impedirono di svolgere esercizi in palestra. Ad ogni modo, cerco comunque di mantenermi in forma, allenandomi con la Primavera di mister Sesena. Inoltre sono 3 mesi che non percepisco lo stipendio e potrei mettere in mora la società: non so se agirò in questa maniera nè se mi rivolgerò al Collegio Arbitrale come fatto da Ledesma e Pandev...".

Lotito is ruining people's entire lives with our beloved football club. That just disturbs me.

Amir wrote:

I hope Lotito learned a lesson here.

He didn't, he is currently preparing to sue Pandev and his lawyer as we speak

The last few comments in the dedicated Pandev thread have been excellent; I think people see the root of the problem. I'm not going to claim to know it all but I think the problem began to emerge at the beginning of 2009.

Frankly, there was a clear point where Goran's body language began to stink. I saw it and I think the vast majority of people did. Eventually, we got an explanation from Delio Rossi who claimed he was playing through a pain barrier and needed surgery on his foot. A reasonable explanation but seemingly a lie. Now, this is why I can't feel sorry for Rossi or Pandev because one was sitting on our bench giving instructions while the other was delivering sub-par performances week in, week out. At the same time, we were being lied to; that's how I feel anyway. I know Goran did put in some top notch performances during this period but it is no coincidence that they came in massive games, such as the Coppa Italia ties and the Derby.

On the field, there were no signs of mistreatment from Lotito. Goran was playing, even after he announced to leave. The first signs of any abuse came this summer after the season was over and a new one approached. Now, you can argue Goran is too critical to leave out or you could argue that there was no point building a new team around him when he was hellbent on leaving. That's a matter of personal opinion.

The reason why I would contest the ruling if I was Lotito is because I feel he can argue his case if he doesn't continue to be such a hard-nosed idiot about it. Pandev was causing trouble in the Macedonia camp as well it seems and surely a combination of many factors suggests that Claudius didn't instigate the problem. Perhaps he did but the signs say otherwise to me. Somehow, Goran won the ruling and as I stated previously, I can only conclude that it is a judgement against Lotito rather than a judgement against how he handled the scenario. If it was at a bigger club, there is no way the ruling would have gone against the president. Not a chance.

So, you won't see me feeling sorry for Delio or Goran; I respect what they did here, I am more than aware of their contribution and I wish them good luck but I feel they tarnished their reputations at the expense of the club and so I am not too empathetic.

Now, what is happening with the others is pitiful because I can only conclude that Claudio has decided they have no part in this club's future and they can rot until they move on. That is unacceptable, if they were sold on it would be a different story but as c.testa said, we can't treat our boys like this. It is understandable up to a point but it is not excusable.

I can see what Lotito is doing but these players are humans and they represent us; they are not assets in some company. He needs to change tact and approach. He won't. I know he won't because he can't cut the Goran saga for the sake of the club and move on. The longer this atmosphere lingers, the closer we will sink towards B.

zoran wrote:

i will try not to quote some posts cuz if i do that will take me the whole day...

i must say that this court decision is very good news for the Italian Football...now players can feel protected in Italy and will not be afraid and scared from some shitt like Lotito....

Lotito one more time proves that he is doing very bad policy in Lazio...for Tare i wont even try to spend words...Balardini one more time prove that he is not a man...the next job as a coach will be in FM Sega Mega game.

of course this ruling must be right, he is your compatriot.

Terry wrote:

zoran wrote:

i will try not to quote some posts cuz if i do that will take me the whole day...

i must say that this court decision is very good news for the Italian Football...now players can feel protected in Italy and will not be afraid and scared from some shitt like Lotito....

Lotito one more time proves that he is doing very bad policy in Lazio...for Tare i wont even try to spend words...Balardini one more time prove that he is not a man...the next job as a coach will be in FM Sega Mega game.

of course this ruling must be right, he is your compatriot.

Caxi wrote:

Frankly, there was a clear point where Goran's body language began to stink. I saw it and I think the vast majority of people did. Eventually, we got an explanation from Delio Rossi who claimed he was playing through a pain barrier and needed surgery on his foot. A reasonable explanation but seemingly a lie. Now, this is why I can't feel sorry for Rossi or Pandev because one was sitting on our bench giving instructions while the other was delivering sub-par performances week in, week out. At the same time, we were being lied to; that's how I feel anyway. I know Goran did put in some top notch performances during this period but it is no coincidence that they came in massive games, such as the Coppa Italia ties and the Derby.

I think it was bacause he wasn't offered a solid deal in time, just as Rossi said some time ago. And I'm not sure the toe injury was a lie. He claimed he had to play with injections every game and there were also some reports from Formello about his pain. If you're gonna get into that kind of lie, involving details such as the injections, then you would pretty much sink yourself if someone exposed the lie. And at this point no one seems to have done.

And I don't see what Rossi would gain from a lie like that. But ok, I'll admit the whole thing looks kind of suspicious.

Caxi wrote:

On the field, there were no signs of mistreatment from Lotito. Goran was playing, even after he announced to leave. The first signs of any abuse came this summer after the season was over and a new one approached.

Pandev announced in the beginning of June, in public, that he wanted to leave. By then the season was already finished and there were no chance for Lotito to take any actions. I don't doubt for a second that he would have put Pandev on the bench if possible. Which is strange, because there are other players in this squad that said the same things in the past.

Caxi wrote:

The reason why I would contest the ruling if I was Lotito is because I feel he can argue his case if he doesn't continue to be such a hard-nosed idiot about it. Pandev was causing trouble in the Macedonia camp as well it seems and surely a combination of many factors suggests that Claudius didn't instigate the problem. Perhaps he did but the signs say otherwise to me. Somehow, Goran won the ruling and as I stated previously, I can only conclude that it is a judgement against Lotito rather than a judgement against how he handled the scenario. If it was at a bigger club, there is no way the ruling would have gone against the president. Not a chance.

If we're looking at signs I would say that not many, maybe even no one, speaks in favor of Lotito. I completely base that on Cash last post: it would be hard to name one player that said anything posetive after leaving the club. And I'm speaking of everyone from Antonio Filippini to Valon Behrami. The fact that Lotito also failed to renew the contracts of almost every key player that attracted interest from other clubs also contributes to my opinion.

You simply cannot sign a 1,6 million contract with Rocchi, give Zárate a 2 million deal and give Stendardo a 1 million deal without offering a fouriclasse - that earns 450 000 or whatever - a solid contract in a decent time. It's just not going to work. Then I agree with that you could argue if Pandev was given a perfectly valid deal before, but I very much doubt it. In that case he would pretty much be unique in Lazio in recent years to get such an offer.

About the sentence: I agree with you it would probobly not happen if Lotito was in charge of a bigger club. But that doesn't change the fact that he was twiced excluded from the court room and broke a rule when freezing Pandev out. Neither does it change that he easily could have avoided this situation in the first place if he only had placed Lazio in first place.

Caxi wrote:

So, you won't see me feeling sorry for Delio or Goran; I respect what they did here, I am more than aware of their contribution and I wish them good luck but I feel they tarnished their reputations at the expense of the club and so I am not too empathetic.

Even if the whole thing was a lie, which I doubt, if it's anyone that has tarnished their reputations at the expanse of the club it's someone else. And his name is not Pandev or Rossi. I see you're point here but I can't blame them under these circumstances.

Caxi wrote:

I can see what Lotito is doing but these players are humans and they represent us; they are not assets in some company. He needs to change tact and approach. He won't. I know he won't because he can't cut the Goran saga for the sake of the club and move on. The longer this atmosphere lingers, the closer we will sink towards B.

Agree, expect from understanding why Lotito is doing it.

The atmosphere has been like this for a pretty long time if you choose to believe Roman media. The difference now is that the we lost to much quality to manage. The signs have been obvious for a very long time, only now it's concrete. I once again have to mention the fact that Lazio has been "extra large" for several years now and will continue to be for the upcoming season. There are no signs of any changes at all.

This is what you get from renewing with some players while ignoring the true quality, grinta and Lazialitá in the squad. It's what you get from making free transfer moves and give the players five year contracts. It's impossible for a manager to build a decent climate, just impossible. No matter if your name is Rossi or Ballardini.

I'm extremely worried and concerned. Can you tell?

El Weninho wrote:

Caxi wrote:

Frankly, there was a clear point where Goran's body language began to stink. I saw it and I think the vast majority of people did. Eventually, we got an explanation from Delio Rossi who claimed he was playing through a pain barrier and needed surgery on his foot. A reasonable explanation but seemingly a lie. Now, this is why I can't feel sorry for Rossi or Pandev because one was sitting on our bench giving instructions while the other was delivering sub-par performances week in, week out. At the same time, we were being lied to; that's how I feel anyway. I know Goran did put in some top notch performances during this period but it is no coincidence that they came in massive games, such as the Coppa Italia ties and the Derby.

I think it was bacause he wasn't offered a solid deal in time, just as Rossi said some time ago. And I'm not sure the toe injury was a lie. He claimed he had to play with injections every game and there were also some reports from Formello about his pain. If you're gonna get into that kind of lie, involving details such as the injections, then you would pretty much sink yourself if someone exposed the lie. And at this point no one seems to have done.

And I don't see what Rossi would gain from a lie like that. But ok, I'll admit the whole thing looks kind of suspicious.

Suspicious, yes and what Rossi has to gain, not clear. Perhaps he was protecting his players like we often do?

El Weninho wrote:

Caxi wrote:

On the field, there were no signs of mistreatment from Lotito. Goran was playing, even after he announced to leave. The first signs of any abuse came this summer after the season was over and a new one approached.

Pandev announced in the beginning of June, in public, that he wanted to leave. By then the season was already finished and there were no chance for Lotito to take any actions. I don't doubt for a second that he would have put Pandev on the bench if possible. Which is strange, because there are other players in this squad that said the same things in the past.

On the forum here and in the stands of Rome, we all knew Pandev was leaving. It was evident, rumours everywhere, his body language was different, all the signs were there. Lotito must have saw that; there is no way he didn't know. Why not "nail" him to the stands sooner? We had nothing to play for in those league games but Goran still featured. He got what we labelled as his "farewell."

Lotito sells when a decent offer is on the table. Rozehnal went for a fair price as did De Silvestri. I don't believe for a second that a bid of anywhere near 20million was ever made while Goran was here. Neither do I believe Lotito ever expected it. There was an attitude on the forum here over the summer that suggested to me that if we didn't get an offer of at least 10 or 15million then we should keep a hold of him. We did that but people still expect Pandev to be playing this season despite the fact that he was not up to the task last season when his blood began to boil. Freezing him out was bad for the team but for me, there was absolutely no sense in playing someone who was that unhappy. Equally detrimental in my opinion. I give Lotito enough credit that he would have sold Goran if it was more economically beneficial than making a harsh statement with a hardline stance. For me, all Claudio really did wrong was going overboard with his stance. Goran wanted to play, but not here.

El Weninho wrote:

Caxi wrote:

The reason why I would contest the ruling if I was Lotito is because I feel he can argue his case if he doesn't continue to be such a hard-nosed idiot about it. Pandev was causing trouble in the Macedonia camp as well it seems and surely a combination of many factors suggests that Claudius didn't instigate the problem. Perhaps he did but the signs say otherwise to me. Somehow, Goran won the ruling and as I stated previously, I can only conclude that it is a judgement against Lotito rather than a judgement against how he handled the scenario. If it was at a bigger club, there is no way the ruling would have gone against the president. Not a chance.

If we're looking at signs I would say that not many, maybe even no one, speaks in favor of Lotito. I completely base that on Cash last post: it would be hard to name one player that said anything posetive after leaving the club. And I'm speaking of everyone from Antonio Filippini to Valon Behrami. The fact that Lotito also failed to renew the contracts of almost every key player that attracted interest from other clubs also contributes to my opinion.

You simply cannot sign a 1,6 million contract with Rocchi, give Zárate a 2 million deal and give Stendardo a 1 million deal without offering a fouriclasse - that earns 450 000 or whatever - a solid contract in a decent time. It's just not going to work. Then I agree with that you could argue if Pandev was given a perfectly valid deal before, but I very much doubt it. In that case he would pretty much be unique in Lazio in recent years to get such an offer.

Doesn't the old Rocchi contract saga say otherwise? The same Rocchi, the 'laziale,' the captain of our club who defended Lotito after the mercato? What about the die-hard laziale in Firmani going missing from the courtcase after one measly game in the biancoceleste shirt? He really showed his support for Pandev in the end, didn't he?

There is a salary cap to keep this club out of financial trouble and minimise what Lotito loses from this club (sadly) and if we want big names, we have to offer them the salary cap wage. I see it with Brocchi, with Zarate, with Cruz and the top notch incomings. Why do you doubt Pandev was offered the same? Rocchi was offered the salary cap when he extended; it was late but it was offered. Pandev's representatives said he was offered a deal that was financially sufficient. 2million sounds about right to me. Too late, perhaps, but if Goran was like Tommaso, Claudio would be smelling of roses now. Therein lies the difference and shows the fine line between being a hero and being a zero.

El Weninho wrote:

Caxi wrote:

So, you won't see me feeling sorry for Delio or Goran; I respect what they did here, I am more than aware of their contribution and I wish them good luck but I feel they tarnished their reputations at the expense of the club and so I am not too empathetic.

Even if the whole thing was a lie, which I doubt, if it's anyone that has tarnished their reputations at the expanse of the club it's someone else. And his name is not Pandev or Rossi. I see you're point here but I can't blame them under these circumstances.

I can Johan because they are not blameless. Obviously a certain president tarnished his reputation but he tarnished it a long time ago. Pandev, Rossi and De Silvestri have made themselves look bad in exposing Lotito. We don't need them to use Lotito as an excuse for leaving the club, we know what the guy is like, just leave, thank the fans, say you had a good time and shut up.

El Weninho wrote:

Caxi wrote:

I can see what Lotito is doing but these players are humans and they represent us; they are not assets in some company. He needs to change tact and approach. He won't. I know he won't because he can't cut the Goran saga for the sake of the club and move on. The longer this atmosphere lingers, the closer we will sink towards B.

Agree, expect from understanding why Lotito is doing it.

The atmosphere has been like this for a pretty long time if you choose to believe Roman media. The difference now is that the we lost to much quality to manage. The signs have been obvious for a very long time, only now it's concrete. I once again have to mention the fact that Lazio has been "extra large" for several years now and will continue to be for the upcoming season. There are no signs of any changes at all.

This is what you get from renewing with some players while ignoring the true quality, grinta and Lazialitá in the squad. It's what you get from making free transfer moves and give the players five year contracts. It's impossible for a manager to build a decent climate, just impossible. No matter if your name is Rossi or Ballardini.

I'm extremely worried and concerned. Can you tell?

We are all worried because a bad atmosphere will hold even the best players back. The situation has been exacerbated by revolt and the only way of stopping the rot is by stopping the revolt. If Lotito won that court case, sure, the atmosphere would still linger but the revolt would be halted and it wouldn't get much worse. The ruling in Pandev's favour threatens to spiral the club further out of control. Now, and only now, am I truly worried...

Caxi wrote:

I can Johan because they are not blameless. Obviously a certain president tarnished his reputation but he tarnished it a long time ago. Pandev, Rossi and De Silvestri have made themselves look bad in exposing Lotito. We don't need them to use Lotito as an excuse for leaving the club, we know what the guy is like, just leave, thank the fans, say you had a good time and shut up.

I prefer they tell everything as it allows the media and the wider public to understand Lotito is a scumbag.

I much prefer there to be a strong atmosphere against him than just what Lotito likes to call 'la sparuta minoranza'. The words of players like Pandev are invaluable in this regard.

c. testa wrote:

Caxi wrote:

I can Johan because they are not blameless. Obviously a certain president tarnished his reputation but he tarnished it a long time ago. Pandev, Rossi and De Silvestri have made themselves look bad in exposing Lotito. We don't need them to use Lotito as an excuse for leaving the club, we know what the guy is like, just leave, thank the fans, say you had a good time and shut up.

I prefer they tell everything as it allows the media and the wider public to understand Lotito is a scumbag.

I much prefer there to be a strong atmosphere against him than just what Lotito likes to call 'la sparuta minoranza'. The words of players like Pandev are invaluable in this regard.

Really?

I don't think the wider public see that. The more informed, yes, of course but in general, the wider public view us as a laughing stock club with players who are all too willing to jump ship and a president who is nuts. The wider public see more than two sides to the coin.

c. testa wrote:

Pandev, Ledesma, De Silvestri, Lotito.....Santarelli!

If anything this case makes me feel even worse than the others because Santarelli came through this club and doesn't have the career and the money to fall back on that the others did.

Quote :

"Mi ritrovo in questa condizione nonostante non abbia fatto nulla di male. Quest'estate fui ad un passo dal Paris Saint-Germain che mi offrì 13000 euro al mese e la possibilità di fare il secondo in un campionato di livello, e propose al club capitolino 400.000 euro per il mio cartellino. Il presidente Lotito, però, rifiutò e ne chiese più del doppio, circa 900.000: a quel punto i francesi lasciarono perdere. Altre offerte giunsero dalla serie cadetta: l'Arezzo mi volle in comproprietà ma anche in quel caso Lotito sparò una cifra esagerata. Sono due anni che sono fermo e percepisco dalla Lazio il minimo sindacale di 1600 euro al mese. Ho sempre tifato Lazio sin da quando sono bambino e non ho mai voluto mettere in discussione le scelte della società. Ma posso dire con certezza che la dirigenza biancoceleste mi sta rovinando la vita. Non ho mai chiesto spiegazioni, nonostante il preparatore dei portieri Grigioni abbia affermato che non sia idoneo per la serie A. Di lì in poi non mi hanno più permesso di allenarmi con i miei compagni: episodio emblematico è stato quando qualche settimana fa mi presentai a Formello ma mi impedirono di svolgere esercizi in palestra. Ad ogni modo, cerco comunque di mantenermi in forma, allenandomi con la Primavera di mister Sesena. Inoltre sono 3 mesi che non percepisco lo stipendio e potrei mettere in mora la società: non so se agirò in questa maniera nè se mi rivolgerò al Collegio Arbitrale come fatto da Ledesma e Pandev...".

Lotito is ruining people's entire lives with our beloved football club. That just disturbs me.

Exactly. Who's next? Santarelli's words sound strangely - and sadly - familiar.

Caxi wrote:

c. testa wrote:

Caxi wrote:

I can Johan because they are not blameless. Obviously a certain president tarnished his reputation but he tarnished it a long time ago. Pandev, Rossi and De Silvestri have made themselves look bad in exposing Lotito. We don't need them to use Lotito as an excuse for leaving the club, we know what the guy is like, just leave, thank the fans, say you had a good time and shut up.

I prefer they tell everything as it allows the media and the wider public to understand Lotito is a scumbag.

I much prefer there to be a strong atmosphere against him than just what Lotito likes to call 'la sparuta minoranza'. The words of players like Pandev are invaluable in this regard.

Really?

I don't think the wider public see that. The more informed, yes, of course but in general, the wider public view us as a laughing stock club with players who are all too willing to jump ship and a president who is nuts. The wider public see more than two sides to the coin.

I´ve know for a long time that you are enjoying your ride up and down Lotitos dxxk for a long time but ... more than two sides to a coin? I´ve heard of more than two sides in a rubics cube but a coin?

The Lotito issue isn´t one that the general public should solve but rather the Laziofans - don´t you agree? The general public doesn´t give a smelling as about players like Mauri, Kolarov, Bariono, Rocky etc - they are talking about the Messis, Xavis, Drogbas etc.

centrocampista wrote:

Caxi wrote:

c. testa wrote:

Caxi wrote:

I can Johan because they are not blameless. Obviously a certain president tarnished his reputation but he tarnished it a long time ago. Pandev, Rossi and De Silvestri have made themselves look bad in exposing Lotito. We don't need them to use Lotito as an excuse for leaving the club, we know what the guy is like, just leave, thank the fans, say you had a good time and shut up.

I prefer they tell everything as it allows the media and the wider public to understand Lotito is a scumbag.

I much prefer there to be a strong atmosphere against him than just what Lotito likes to call 'la sparuta minoranza'. The words of players like Pandev are invaluable in this regard.

Really?

I don't think the wider public see that. The more informed, yes, of course but in general, the wider public view us as a laughing stock club with players who are all too willing to jump ship and a president who is nuts. The wider public see more than two sides to the coin.

I´ve know for a long time that you are enjoying your ride up and down Lotitos dxxk for a long time but ... more than two sides to a coin? I´ve heard of more than two sides in a rubics cube but a coin?

The Lotito issue isn´t one that the general public should solve but rather the Laziofans - don´t you agree? The general public doesn´t give a smelling as about players like Mauri, Kolarov, Bariono, Rocky etc - they are talking about the Messis, Xavis, Drogbas etc.

If you actually understood the "two sides to the coin" metaphor, you would realise that you have just completely agreed with me Doc

Caxi wrote:

centrocampista wrote:

Caxi wrote:

c. testa wrote:

Caxi wrote:

I can Johan because they are not blameless. Obviously a certain president tarnished his reputation but he tarnished it a long time ago. Pandev, Rossi and De Silvestri have made themselves look bad in exposing Lotito. We don't need them to use Lotito as an excuse for leaving the club, we know what the guy is like, just leave, thank the fans, say you had a good time and shut up.

I prefer they tell everything as it allows the media and the wider public to understand Lotito is a scumbag.

I much prefer there to be a strong atmosphere against him than just what Lotito likes to call 'la sparuta minoranza'. The words of players like Pandev are invaluable in this regard.

Really?

I don't think the wider public see that. The more informed, yes, of course but in general, the wider public view us as a laughing stock club with players who are all too willing to jump ship and a president who is nuts. The wider public see more than two sides to the coin.

I´ve know for a long time that you are enjoying your ride up and down Lotitos dxxk for a long time but ... more than two sides to a coin? I´ve heard of more than two sides in a rubics cube but a coin?

The Lotito issue isn´t one that the general public should solve but rather the Laziofans - don´t you agree? The general public doesn´t give a smelling as about players like Mauri, Kolarov, Bariono, Rocky etc - they are talking about the Messis, Xavis, Drogbas etc.

If you actually understood the "two sides to the coin" metaphor, you would realise that you have just completely agreed with me Doc

Caxi, bro! do me a favor. Open the window, fill your lungs with air, scream "Lotito you fucking cunt get the fuck away from my club" and then come back to the forum with a fresh outlook on life as a Laziale. I did this - I know have a totally new approach