Goran Pandev

well honestly if Someone gives me 2.500.000 instead of 1.500.000 like Lazio.. I will go too...
Take it like example your salery at your work and then if you know you deserve more and some other firm is ready to give you how much you think you deserve... Well... We all know the answear to where you will continue working... All in all I was the one that liked Pandev to stay in lazio but in all truth 1.500.000 a year is small amount of money for his servises

That's 30,000 euro a week. That's more than a fair wage, he wouldn't get much more at West Ham.

Anyway, it seems he has no interest in going there which is a shame because it seems the calibre of club that he wants to go to are not interested in his services.

NITRO wrote:

well honestly if Someone gives me 2.500.000 instead of 1.500.000 like Lazio.. I will go too...
Take it like example your salery at your work and then if you know you deserve more and some other firm is ready to give you how much you think you deserve... Well... We all know the answear to where you will continue working... All in all I was the one that liked Pandev to stay in lazio but in all truth 1.500.000 a year is small amount of money for his servises

Your right an offer no one will reject, but u can be a mercenary and follow ur excessive greediness to a mediocre club like West-ham , or? u can stay at a place where u are already loved by the fans and by the wonderful city and u are Superstar? and well respected? the ball in your court.

NITRO wrote:

well honestly if Someone gives me 2.500.000 instead of 1.500.000 like Lazio.. I will go too...
Take it like example your salery at your work and then if you know you deserve more and some other firm is ready to give you how much you think you deserve... Well... We all know the answear to where you will continue working... All in all I was the one that liked Pandev to stay in lazio but in all truth 1.500.000 a year is small amount of money for his servises

So he got greedy. That's why he is a mercenary. He wastes too much chances anyway so I wouldn't drop a tear for his sorry ass. Can't he see that he aint much better then West Ham caliber of a club. Bayern, Juve etc aren't interested in him so now he is taking Lazio as a hastige, waiting his contract out, rejecting actuall offers for him from West Ham, Zenit and those kind of CL clubs.

flurffmeister wrote:

NITRO wrote:

well honestly if Someone gives me 2.500.000 instead of 1.500.000 like Lazio.. I will go too...
Take it like example your salery at your work and then if you know you deserve more and some other firm is ready to give you how much you think you deserve... Well... We all know the answear to where you will continue working... All in all I was the one that liked Pandev to stay in lazio but in all truth 1.500.000 a year is small amount of money for his servises

Your right an offer no one will reject, but u can be a mercenary and follow ur excessive greediness to a mediocre club like West-ham , or? u can stay at a place where u are already loved by the fans and by the wonderful city and u are Superstar? and well respected? the ball in your court.

Well Flurff he always said that he loves the city and the fans... But he had problem only with Lotito... Lets dont forget that his actual salery was 900.000 and 1.500.000 was an improved offer that offered (or not) Lotito... With all due respect of Zarate, Rocchi and some others Pandev is not one bit worse.. In fact for me not because I'm macedonian but because of the facts he was Lazio best player over the course of 5 years... Scored goals, made assists, hold the ball when needen and never complained... I repeat... If I work at some place and someone who I think is not better then me and is getting more money then me then give me more money or I dont want to work in that place anymore... I think that what happened to Pandev.. He didnt ger greedy but he got unrespected.. Something like Makelele felt from Real...

NITRO wrote:

flurffmeister wrote:

NITRO wrote:

well honestly if Someone gives me 2.500.000 instead of 1.500.000 like Lazio.. I will go too...
Take it like example your salery at your work and then if you know you deserve more and some other firm is ready to give you how much you think you deserve... Well... We all know the answear to where you will continue working... All in all I was the one that liked Pandev to stay in lazio but in all truth 1.500.000 a year is small amount of money for his servises

Your right an offer no one will reject, but u can be a mercenary and follow ur excessive greediness to a mediocre club like West-ham , or? u can stay at a place where u are already loved by the fans and by the wonderful city and u are Superstar? and well respected? the ball in your court.

Well Flurff he always said that he loves the city and the fans... But he had problem only with Lotito... Lets dont forget that his actual salery was 900.000 and 1.500.000 was an improved offer that offered (or not) Lotito... With all due respect of Zarate, Rocchi and some others Pandev is not one bit worse.. In fact for me not because I'm macedonian but because of the facts he was Lazio best player over the course of 5 years... Scored goals, made assists, hold the ball when needen and never complained... I repeat... If I work at some place and someone who I think is not better then me and is getting more money then me then give me more money or I dont want to work in that place anymore... I think that what happened to Pandev.. He didnt ger greedy but he got unrespected.. Something like Makelele felt from Real...

Of course dude i used to love Pandev and i think he deserves a better salary, but not all ur fingers are the same i cannot agree with you that Zarate is at the same level of Pandev , i am very thankful for his contribution but one thing for sure Rocchi is the captain and Zarate is the superstar of the team and they both deserve a better salary than Pandev, if Lotito's wage ceiling was 3 millions Pandev would probably be earning now 2,5 and Zarate 3, and Lotito was never in trouble with Pandev he even offered him a contract months before summer but Pandev decided to weigh other offers....

Secret_Samadhi wrote:

The truth is, Pandev got greedy. That's what I think.

Lotito got greedy too. But if Pandev leaves for West Ham, What little respect i have for him will go up in smoke.

At the end of the day, Lotito & Pandev are very similar people. Conniving, Greedy & Egomaniacs. No wonder they cant work together.

I have lost faith in both of them.

Before everybody turns on Pandev for being a greedy bitch or whatever, let me just point out a few things.

1. Pandev is a professional footballer. Professional footballers play for money, and the better the player is, the higher the wage he demands.
2. Lotito is a business man. As such he possesses an understanding of the relation between revenues and expenditure. Basically if we don't earn big, we can't spend big, regardless of debt and such.
3. Lotito and Pandev are contracted parties, Lotito representing a company that pays for Pandev's services.
4. There is a discrepancy between what Lotito is willing to offer and what Pandev is willing to accept.

Now before people start accusing Pandev of lack of loyalty, lazialita etc. remember the way Lotito disposed of DC, regardless of the latter's willingness to play for next to nothing. Lotito is stubborn. Pandev feels that his spell and performance at the club over the years warrants him a better contract and a pay increase. Also, at this point in his career he wishes a challenge and a step up. You only have ten to fifteen years to develop your career. Lazio isn't a dead end but atm isn't a title contender or a force in Europe.

The media kicks in. The fans start pointing fingers every which way. The coach is under pressure from both ends.

Are we really going to accuse every player who transfers out of Lazio of being a traitor? Liverani, Cesar, Nesta, Oddo, Pandev, Jimenez, Nedved, Veron...
Now also LDS's lazialita is being questioned in his "bye-bye" topic. Unbelievable.

This is football people. If you're going to blame anyone blame Bosman. All that's left is to thank Pandev for everything he's done and wish him best of luck in his career.

Well said Sile. The problem with the "dissidenti" is that their own personal ambition (which is motivated by who knows what) outweighs the team ambition. In other words, they are thinking solely about their own careers; and it's not our place to say whether that's right or wrong.

With Pandev, many here are talking about the Zenit and West Ham rumours as if they are offers on the table. I don't believe all the media speculation but I do take note of quotes.

Quote from Pandev circa 6 months ago: "we are negotiating a deal and I will sign soon."
Quote from Pandev circa 3 months ago: "I will leave Lazio."
Quote from Pandev's agent 1-2 months ago: "Lotito offered a good contract but my client still wants to leave."
Quote from Pandev (according to Macedonian sources): "no truth in West Ham deal."
Quote from Lotito: "Zenit never made an offer."
Quote from Dick Advocaat (former Zenit manager): "I wanted Pandev, instead, the club bought Rosina."
Quote from Lotito: "there is a gentleman's agreement about Art. 17 in Italy).

So, taking all this into account and if we are to believe the very believable, Lotito carried out negotiations when Pandev had 18 months left to run in his contract and Goran intended to sign but at some point decided not to. As a result, we have been left in a situation where Pandev can sign for a new club for free in January and as a result, nobody wants to bid for him. Advocaat wanted to sign him at Zenit but the club never made a bid. West Ham are said to be interested but Goran says it's a lie and even if it's true, he won't sign.

Thus, nobody has made an approach for Goran and so, he can't leave Lazio. As soon as someone does, Goran decides whether he stays here or risks ruining his career by rotting on the bench for 3 months and perhaps destroying Macedonia's WC aspirations in the process.

As I firmly believe that to be the case, I can only blame Goran for being stupid and for hiding behind this "I don't want to cost the club money from my sale" excuse. For that, I lose a lot of respect for him but only for that.

Caxi wrote:

Well said Sile. The problem with the "dissidenti" is that their own personal ambition (which is motivated by who knows what) outweighs the team ambition. In other words, they are thinking solely about their own careers; and it's not our place to say whether that's right or wrong.

With Pandev, many here are talking about the Zenit and West Ham rumours as if they are offers on the table. I don't believe all the media speculation but I do take note of quotes.

Quote from Pandev circa 6 months ago: "we are negotiating a deal and I will sign soon."
Quote from Pandev circa 3 months ago: "I will leave Lazio."
Quote from Pandev's agent 1-2 months ago: "Lotito offered a good contract but my client still wants to leave."
Quote from Pandev (according to Macedonian sources): "no truth in West Ham deal."
Quote from Lotito: "Zenit never made an offer."
Quote from Dick Advocaat (former Zenit manager): "I wanted Pandev, instead, the club bought Rosina."
Quote from Lotito: "there is a gentleman's agreement about Art. 17 in Italy).

So, taking all this into account and if we are to believe the very believable, Lotito carried out negotiations when Pandev had 18 months left to run in his contract and Goran intended to sign but at some point decided not to. As a result, we have been left in a situation where Pandev can sign for a new club for free in January and as a result, nobody wants to bid for him. Advocaat wanted to sign him at Zenit but the club never made a bid. West Ham are said to be interested but Goran says it's a lie and even if it's true, he won't sign.

Thus, nobody has made an approach for Goran and so, he can't leave Lazio. As soon as someone does, Goran decides whether he stays here or risks ruining his career by rotting on the bench for 3 months and perhaps destroying Macedonia's WC aspirations in the process.

As I firmly believe that to be the case, I can only blame Goran for being stupid and for hiding behind this "I don't want to cost the club money from my sale" excuse. For that, I lose a lot of respect for him but only for that.

I don´t think quoting things said during the mercato it´s of any value - players /managers /agents /owners use media to manipulate the situation.

There is a fact that no one can argue against - Lotito could /should have prevented this situation atleast 1year ago - firmly not words just action. The situation repeated itself with Ledesma and the way Rocky had to crawl to get a better contract. Lotito has done enough to show that he is not a man to be trusted.

Goran Pandev Prepares To Sue Lazio Again

Lazio striker Goran Pandev has added a slander case against his current club, claiming that he is being frozen out of the squad because of contract talks, according to Football Italia.

Pandev is one of three dissidents who have been exiled from the Bianocelesti, the others being Cristian Ledesma and Lorenzo De Silvestri.

Lazio president Claudio Lotito claimed that Pandev has publicly stated he wants to leave his club at the end of the season, effectively being a free agent, and not able to allow Lazio to benefit the club financially.

"When a player publicly states he wants to leave and won't renew the contract that expires in a year, other side will wait for him to be a free agent," Lotito said.

"That is damaging to the club financially and this is why we are approaching the matter through legal means."

Pandev's lawyer Mattia Grassani replied by counter-acting against Lotito's accusations.

"We cannot help but note Lotito is repeating the assertion that one of the players in Pandev’s situation broke the rules by making alleged deals with other clubs before the deadline," Grassani said.

"If such accusations proved to be true, the subject was certainly not Pandev. If this claim is made again, we would hope Lotito would indicate the name of who he is complaining about.

"Otherwise, faced with mere allegations that are totally devoid of proof, Pandev will seek to defend his good name and image in all courts of law."

The Macedonian international was linked with a move earlier in the summer to Juventus, but it did not eventuate. He is also suing Lazio officials for 'bullying'.

De Silvestri, meanwhile, has allegedly passed a medical examination with Fiorentina within the last 24 hours, and is set to join the Viola in the coming days.

Pandev is defaming his own name with these legal threats.

Interested clubs (if there are any) will be following this saga and what well run club will want to sign a guy that has threatened to take his previous team to court over such ridiculous claims??

I think he has realised that he isn't going to leave in time, Lotito and Ballardini won't reinstate him to the playing squad, so he's going to desperate lengths to get out.

I don't like Lotito because the man has no lazialita', but I honestly can't see how he's handled the situation badly this time. Goran has ruined it all for himself and has only himself to blame.

West Ham want other players more than Pandev.

I´m beinning to think that nobody wants Pandev - even they can have him for free...

blue-white wrote:

West Ham want other players more than Pandev.

I´m beinning to think that nobody wants Pandev - even they can have him for free...

maybe some qatar clubs want him .. lol

Go back to Macedonia mate... and find yourself again just like Adriano. Your head has grown too much now.

Boksic wrote:

Go back to Macedonia mate... and find yourself again just like Adriano. Your head has grown too much now.

Lotito is right..

Watch his career spiral from here..

Was a massive fan of Pandev...he was really a shining light for us given we plucked him from obscurity and made him into a star..put faith in him where others didn't...

We have Zarate, Rocchi and Cruz now..All players who want to play for the shirt..

He probably has club lined up for next year when he is a free agent most probably Inter. Why would they pay when they can get him for free. He just wants to be reinstated in the team though and play this year without losing form. Sneijders deal has collapsed and that might be the springboard for Inter to fast forward their plans.

look what can happen to your career when you get greedy and try to be above the club.

So mr valon ppandev, oops i mean goran pack ur bags and go move to west ham or something.

Inter? lol
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Interested parties are not even close to inter standards

Taib wrote:

He probably has club lined up for next year when he is a free agent most probably Inter. Why would they pay when they can get him for free. He just wants to be reinstated in the team though and play this year without losing form. Sneijders deal has collapsed and that might be the springboard for Inter to fast forward their plans.

I am completely agree, i am sure Pandev will stay in Lazio and will not sign extension if he can go out with this legal maters faster will be ok for him if not, next year as free agent will go in Inter or Juventus, probably already he has pre-signed unofficially agreement with some club

cdj_dj wrote:

Taib wrote:

He probably has club lined up for next year when he is a free agent most probably Inter. Why would they pay when they can get him for free. He just wants to be reinstated in the team though and play this year without losing form. Sneijders deal has collapsed and that might be the springboard for Inter to fast forward their plans.

I am completely agree, i am sure Pandev will stay in Lazio and will not sign extension if he can go out with this legal maters faster will be ok for him if not, next year as free agent will go in Inter or Juventus, probably already he has pre-signed unofficially agreement with some club

[u]

what you're saying here is exactly what Pandev is suing la Lazio for. This is slander, and serves to defame his character and make him "the bad guy" in front of the fans.
Lotito has obviously managed to manipulate the media to an extent.

One thing that's for certain is that at the moment we don't know who's telling the truth about failed transfers, and who's to blame that this was allowed to happen. From a legal point of view, Pandev has a stronger case because the burden of proof for the aforementioned slander is on Lotito. What is certain, that Pandev is still a Lazio player and for the next 6 months his future is entirely in Claudio's hands, since he can not contact any club while on contract.

Sile wrote:

cdj_dj wrote:

Taib wrote:

He probably has club lined up for next year when he is a free agent most probably Inter. Why would they pay when they can get him for free. He just wants to be reinstated in the team though and play this year without losing form. Sneijders deal has collapsed and that might be the springboard for Inter to fast forward their plans.

I am completely agree, i am sure Pandev will stay in Lazio and will not sign extension if he can go out with this legal maters faster will be ok for him if not, next year as free agent will go in Inter or Juventus, probably already he has pre-signed unofficially agreement with some club

[u]

what you're saying here is exactly what Pandev is suing la Lazio for. This is slander, and serves to defame his character and make him "the bad guy" in front of the fans.
Lotito has obviously managed to manipulate the media to an extent.

One thing that's for certain is that at the moment we don't know who's telling the truth about failed transfers, and who's to blame that this was allowed to happen. From a legal point of view, Pandev has a stronger case because the burden of proof for the aforementioned slander is on Lotito. What is certain, that Pandev is still a Lazio player and for the next 6 months his future is entirely in Claudio's hands, since he can not contact any club while on contract.

TMW : Sondaggio Inter nelle ultime ore per capire quali margini ci siano per riportare Goran Pandev a Milano entro il 31 agosto. L'attaccante, che ha un contratto in scadenza con la Lazio nel 2010, è un obiettivo per la prossima stagione ma gli uomini di Moratti si sono già attivati per anticipare i tempi.

Babel Fish: Inter survey in the last hours in order to understand which margins is in order to bring back Goran Pandev to Milan within 31 August. L' forward, that he has a contract in expiration with the Lazio in 2010, is a objective for the next season but the men of Moratti already have activated themselves in order to anticipate the times.

This is exactly what i am saying, and the people who are saying that Pandev is not for a big club , or he will go only in clubs like West Ham or Zenit are not seeing big picture, yes there is no offers for Pandev but who will pay 15m if he can get for free.

I am sure there is a debate who is guilty for this situation, and i am quite sure who will get nothing from this situation which is obviously the club. If Lotito has come forward before 2,3 years and extend the contract or even increase the salary on some 1.5m which is not to much for a club like Lazio, and not to make fun of his own stars with the funny salary of 400 000 euros what for this kind of players is nothing if you try to leave in Rome and go in the circles with other people from same lavel, you will probably not survive. Whit this kind of gambling you will save some 2,3m for 2,3 years but you will lose some 10m from selling the player. On the end this was not the way which Pandev will choose for him self to end with the club, probably everyone who has spend some 5 years playing for some club and make a big connection don't wont on the end to ruin his name with the club, but to be remembered by the good games, which he has for sure.

becareful of the curse of the eagle mr pandev
cesar , jimenez , behrami , oddo have been cursed .. their career was going down after they left lazio
just be carefull

yes,and goran was played with all those players,so he saw what ending (in big teams)their carrier had,west ham or zenit...i m shure that he could shine there,inter(eto-milito-without doubt,baloteli-suazo-mancini-quaresma....players like crespo-adriano couldnt find the position in inter....he think that he would .
at juve(del piero-amauri-iaquinta-treze.,diego,giovinco)what he think(i realy want to now)diego-amauri(will play for sure,del piero until he desides to play football-no one can move him,iaquinta-even when he s not a starter he now to use his "5 min",giovinco is they kid.
i realy dont see how he saw himself in one of those two clubs.
another thing which i can not understand is :do he realy think that somebody else will tolerate he s super star image(losing the ball-smile,dont pass in time-i m goran,scoring after third chance...)
goran was one of our best players(in last 3-4 years,i was thinking that he could be our heroe-simbol....
but for the future one advaise to him no mater where he will contuniug he s carrier :you are not in a level of ibra,or savicevic(in the past)so the ballkanik sindrom of superstar(one good game than nothing,one good goal or asist than losing the balls and smiles,dont give the ball)nobody will tolerate and nowhere you will not have a freedom like you haved here.
i wish you all the best,and I belive that you could be very good(better than now)player if you fight and run more than until now.
nobody wins if we go to the court,lets just finish this ....
and lets hope that mr.smart will understand that he need to change he s policy and to be faster in the future

I don't like players which forget what a club has done for them especially when Lazio is involved ... so leave him out of the squad for 6 months and then lets see who will want him. Pandev saw where all this suing led with Mutarelli - NOTHING. So please go to west ham and enjoy your career in that big club and play for the community shield and not League Europe

Zenit have reportidley re-ignited there interest in him.

Club officials were reported to be at Formello this morning, with a 10 Million Euro's bid on the table, but wait for it.....

Lotito will reject it to see if he can get a higher sum

Way to late for this sort of game.

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